12-year-old boy undergoes sex change...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Feb 7 2007, 10:47 PM) [snapback]386752[/snapback]</div>

...er, that's precisely what most women want.

:lol:

I'm sure he's been called a lot worse by degenerates far more qualified than you Ms. Tuffet!




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Feb 7 2007, 08:34 PM) [snapback]386669[/snapback]</div>

Oddly, I did this once, and it backfired on me, and I got TONS of respect....

Dude, I look in the mirror every now and then, smile, and start to impersonate different people calling me an "A-hole", it's fun as all hell, I suggest you try it sometime!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Feb 7 2007, 09:15 PM) [snapback]386761[/snapback]</div>

I edited the word gay It was not capitalized for negativity. :mellow:

And excelent responce, thank you!

As for transgendered vs. gay the person was born a man, they have an operation and become a man made woman most people male and female are going to think the person is gay if they are together with the same sex. they are still a male or a female however the outside has been changed to reflect the opposite sex.. Its not just in the brain its in your DNA make up. Who are we to play god and decide billy isnt going to be a man anymore. lets change his organ poof hes now a she..

Maybe Im not seening the big picture here.... :huh:

Im sorry you do not like my opinions or my outlook on certain topics, And here I thought we were becoming such good friends.. Im glad I didnt share my pie with you...

Geeze Pinto, some one must have dipped your ponytails in ink.... :blink:
But thats ok Im a Jerk, Ive been called worse by better.... I just let it roll off my back like a duck with no hard feelings

PS if you just cant stand my posts ignor me..

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Feb 7 2007, 10:25 PM) [snapback]386763[/snapback]</div>

Gosh, I'm sorry that so many people call you that. If no one else is nice to you, you should at least try to be nice to yourself.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 7 2007, 10:27 PM) [snapback]386766[/snapback]</div>

Your argument has a few problems. I think most transgenders are placed on hormone therapy in line with their desired gender. So, it's not just the outside that's altered.

Also, you say "who are we to play God". We do it all the time in the medical arena. We even alter food plants genetically to achieve higher production yields, to rid them of undesirable characteristics or to add desirable charateristics. What about attached twins that are separated? God evidently didn't want them to be separated.

And to let it be known, I think this child was waaaaay to young to undertake such a surgery, especially emotionally and physologically. I'm not at all debating that point.

 

Boy Howdy~

Did you know its not just politics that the people here go wacky nu,nu over :huh: .. Its any topic that has the word gay, transgendered, shemale, lesbian, sex or keeping someone form being able to make those choices on their own (no matter what thier age it seems) People just get Wacky Nu-Nu...

At least most of us agree on this point.

 

And frankly, since the kid has been undergoing the hormone therapy since age 12 (and is now 14) but hasn't actually had his bits cut off, it seems like a lot of what's being discussed is a non-issue:

"The sex change will not become complete for another four years because while German law does not forbid hormone treatment for minors, they must be 18 before gender-transforming surgery can be carried out. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...66&ito=1490

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 8 2007, 06:59 AM) [snapback]386881[/snapback]</div>

I perceived that you were using selective (but unreasonable) arguments to support your position when all the while you are simply just prejudice against transgenders but wouldn't come out and say this. Apologies extended, if I was wrong.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Feb 8 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]387018[/snapback]</div>

(in reply to bold statements)
Oh man you got me there, Ive been caught.......

I was mearly agreeing with your quote.


I really do not have a problem with trangendered, gay, bi or lesbian life styles..
They are free to do what they choose here in this and other countries, Excluding the middle east.

Its not the first time someone gets the wrong idea from one of my posts, must be my immature presentation..

Its all good, I must entertain everyone with my idiotic drivel, as I come across with such an immature imbicile. Oh I forgot to mention, I secretly enjoy shoving pie into my piehole!


But really its cool, I should add her comments to my signature..

As for my question in the quote below, I am curious to see what the answers would be?
It really isnt a pass or fail question....... Just wanted to see if people would answer without having to say what people mite want to hear, rather than their real responce.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Feb 8 2007, 01:18 PM) [snapback]387028[/snapback]</div>

First thing that pops into my mind is that I'd be truly nervous for them and their well being and how they would be received/perceived and accepted by society. It wouldn't be my first choice for my child, but only because of my stated concerns. I really wouldn't have a care about it as it relates to my personal emotions. If my child was a good kid, helped people when they were able, didn't impose harm or their will on others, didn't arbitrarily judge others based on topical issues, I'd say that they're overall behavior is enough to make me comfortable that they'd be able to make a wise decision concerning their sexuality (which by the way, shouldn't affect anyone else anyway). And, I should qualify that by saying "decision" I don't think people choose their sexuality. What I mean is that they've made a choice to follow through on their natural sexual preference.

I would probably research a good support group in case they encounter problems dealing with the potential onslaught of negative opinions from other people, or maybe just to provide them with coping tools to deal with any internal emotions that they may harbor as a result of this lifestyle. Most of all I'd make sure that they feel loved and uncontionally accepted by me. I think parental acceptance of a child is the most important thing for that child to remain of a healthy emotional and physcological structure. But then again, I don't have children. This is all speculation as to how I would handle the situation. I tend to be very accepting of people's differences, so I'm anticipating that I'd extend the same consideration to my own child.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Feb 7 2007, 05:47 PM) [snapback]386752[/snapback]</div>

Do tell: You leave us hanging by telling us to measure fingers, without telling us what measurements lead to what conclusions. I've always felt I was straight, but who am I to argue with science if it tells me otherwise? My left ring finger is a tad longer than my right index finger, but my left index finger is the same length as my right ring finger.

 

If you talk to some of these TS's (and I have), you'll almost always hear sentiments expressed like 'I knew when I was a child...' / 'I always liked to play with dolls' or 'I hated wearing dresses and loved climbing trees with the boys'.

The sad fact is that we have a gender identity from *very* early on, way before we're able to express it. But without an avenue for re-assignment, should our gender identity conflict with our physical appearance, most transexuals end up living a number of years into adulthood before they're able to do something about it.

That inevitably creates problems [concentrating on male --> female] - shaving of adams apples, vocal training, electrolysis, and so on - all to reverse the testosterone induced growth points.

If those individuals could have gotten their re-assignment *before* they started those changes they'd grow up an awful lot happier (and prettier). The earlier, the better - at least physically, if not psychologically - and that's where the rub is. How early is psychologically reasonable, versus how late is physically damaging.

I should note that the Female --> male process tends to be both easier and harder. Easier because voice modification occurs naturally, as does hair growth (or indeed loss) and muscle tone. Mastectomy is relatively simple these days, but unfortunately hrm.. phallus construction is still quite crude.

Steve.

 

This thread is a perfect example of why I do not normally participate. A subject gets brought up, a few comments reply and then those who want to take themselves to center stage show up. YAWN.

Prescription: Ignore them.

I'm happy the Germans will not do the surgery until the age of majority. The concept is simple. Minors do not have the legal capacity to make an informed decision.

Oh oh.....here "they" come again. I'm out of here. No need to comment.

 

I think this is a case where no one will know if the right thing was done or not for about 30 years. Once the child reaches that age I'd love to hear how she felt about the choice and how it has effected her life. I chose 40 years old because there are many people who lead "typical" lives and have children but somewhere around that age they decide that their current life is not for them and make the change to a different lifestyle.

I was very impressed with the reponses on the first page. The subsequent pages were much too childish for me to do more than skim over.

 

Seems to me plenty of people can't make up their mind even when they reach their 50's. I can't imagine any child not knowing by age 8 or 9.