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  1. hill

    hill High Fiber Member

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    sorry - not following the rational .... after so many threads on disparaging the Chevy Volt, & a PHEV is what it was. .... so does that mean in your opinion - it will be PHEV's with littler/lower range phev batteries that will be the real game changers some day (vs >100k ev's/quarter)? Yes - there are forces working against electrification, but there's even forces working against old-fashioned hybrids - much less plugins. Wasn't the Ford Fusion also recently canceled? Not quite understanding how its demise is any less an issue of 'know your audience' than that of the Prius C, or the Ford C-max or other manufacturer's models that recently got cast aside.
    These are hard times for automakers building stuff other than SUV's & pickups - weighing in - in under 2¼ tons.
    And yet ..... 116K "non-suv's" .... for an upstart startup no less. Hard to figure how they do it - even as their subsidies dry up to nothing.
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Just wanted to mention that the Fusion has gotten a stay of execution for another year.

    Hybrid sales in the US have closely tied to fuel prices. The peaks in your graph coincide with spikes in gas prices. Today, though perhaps not short term, gas is cheap. Plug in sales aren't tied so much to a single factor, and the other draws to the cars is driving growth despite the low fuel prices.

    In Europe, the TCO of a BEV might have matched that of a conventional ICE car last year.
     
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    This chart (i remember posting this somewhere too) is quite telling . . . . for HEV's. a 13 year run.
    The Gen 1 Rav4-EV came out in 1997. Here we are in 2020 ... and ANOTHER 13 year run.

    So in order to project the same decline for EV's . . . . then EV production must start declining right ... NOW.
    Yet gigafactory 3 is picking up the pace -
    and plant #4 in is in the works -
    Porsche, Audi, WV all picking up the EV pace
    3 companies poised to release EV pickups
    China & other countries plannning to go mostly EV
    The EV decline seems like it may take a tad longer - than what hybrids did, over ½ decade ago.
    Especially considering EV's growing infrastructure (both in power level & quantity of locations), battery energy density/weight ratios improving.
    (but i could be wrong ;) )
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    Yeah, you could be right. Or maybe those that really need all the advantage of ICE or PHEV will continue to get them and people that the advantages of EV along with their limitations will start to switch over. Most people that have 2+ cars dont need them all to have a 500 mile range and 10 minute refueling all the time. Maybe 300 mile range and 10 second refueling most of the time and 30 minutes on rare occasions is good enough. We'll see.

    It seems that about 19 out of 20 people (although some have dropped out) running for office later this year think we must convert.

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    that would go a long way in speeding up the process. alas, only half of americans agree
     
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