$1 Gasoline???

Hot spot Salish Sea (Puget Sound) Washington state prices continue high as they always are. Some stations tried to raise prices less than a week ago, but yesterday, started coming down. One Chevron station near the Anacortes oil refinery has broken from the pack, dropping to $2.43/gal. My favorite Costco stations vibrate up & down, but remain above $2.50/gal. Other stations here still charge $3. Some stations in other states in the Pacific Northwest are lower, but still charge above $2.25.

 

I recall that thread but I don't remember if I was one of those "you" back then. Anyways, I can't see gas ever getting to $1/gal locally but I do think $1.50 (at least to ease a temporary glut) is possible. Can promotional discounts be applied to said price?

$1.89 locally

 

I don't imagine it will get to $1/gal here in Connecticut. If it did, half of the cost would be for the product and the other half would be taxes.

 

Actually I think it’s everything to do with efficiency differences your vehicle must have a different efficiency on gas and you must drive faster, more climate controls or more aggressively. I wish I could take an extended test drive of a prime to see what it does with my commute.

Volt City Metrics Varience is shown in the images above, the 68F screen started the drive at 32F and ended at 68F once at my destination,(that’s Wisconsin)
other screen is going the other direction back to where I came (after a 4000 mile gas only trip)

It takes 12kwhr to provide a full charge off the wall in these temperatures but that can vary a lot below zero as can both economy metrics with temperature.

range city 25mph average not stop and go 70 miles

12kwhr x $0.215 / 70 = 0.0368

Pure Gas city 25mph P&G 56mpg (max)

$2.059 / 56 = $0.3676

above using your electricity and gas cost feel free to plug and chug your on your own with different numbers.

at the end of the day at best with your costs I can maybe be at a wash assuming oil changes are free.

 

You are incorrect on assuming efficiency difference will always ends up EV being cheaper to drive. I am not disputing your numbers at all. I understand EV mode by using electricity is far more efficient compared to HV mode by using gas for the same amount of energy used. For PRIME, EPA number is 133mpge and 54mpg. Even if you can drive PRIME with 250mpge which is about 7.4miles/kWh, it still cost more to drive on EV mode if the cost of electricity is super high and cost of gas is super low. Imagine if the gas price is $1/gal and electricity is $0.30/kWh. Model 3 is going to cost $500/year more on energy (electricity) cost compared to someone driving a gasser Camry (26mpg) on gas engine.

For this scenario (gas price is $1/gal and electricity is $0.30/kWh), PRIME even driven at 250mpge on EV ($0.48/mile) will cost 2.6 times more compared to driving on HV ($0.018/mile).

 

I didn’t say that, I did say that your car and mine have different fuel and EV efficiencies resulting in different outcomes at the same cost levels

if we are getting into TCO the title + registration for a BEV here is $665

My Insight burns $200 of fuel annually

that tax is equal to 3 years of fuel consumption before we even get into electrical costs

 

Your number of 7.4miles/kWh is doable only very short segments of my daily drive with many hills. Speed is not the factor for my average speed over 40K miles is at 30mph either on EV or HV, but uphill always eats up the charge. Also, the EV efficiency suffers tremendously during cold months of winter in our region. My historical real world EV efficiency for me on my commute is only ~5miles/kWh (~168mpge) at best.

Fortunately, we don't have surcharge on PHEV or BEV. Currently my break even point for operation cost for the EV vs HV for our current electricity rate which does not change as frequently as gas price is $2.75/gal for gas. For the most part of my ownership of PRIME, the gas price have been cheaper than that. And currently it is far more economical to drive my PRIME on gas engine than to use grid power. I am one of a few people around wishing for the gas price to get to $3/gal or above.

 

Now we're at $1.34 for E10.

 

It's not considered proactive if it used to be the status quo.

 

At lunch I just gassed up at Sams Club for $1.81 per gallon.

 

You must have low gas taxes.

Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.

 

Still $2.89+ here in CA

Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.

 

In Danville, Sam's is selling for $1.63.

 

Danville Virginia? That's just down the road.

 

I think you'd be just fine with 0W20. Or 5W30 for that matter.

 

$1.999 in nc today, sams club $1.839

 

Now, a Shell station in Lawrenceville dropped to $1.47.

 

Sam's Club in Wake Forest is $1.64.

 

Now, by the end of the day, in The Village & Oklahoma City, gas is down to $1.24.