The 2020 and earlier-model-year Prius Primes had TSS-P (as in 1.0). My 2021 has TSS 2.0. Moderate as in typical freeway curves? TSS 3.0 also has adaptive curve-speed control, which TSS 2.0 didn’t; so, it is strange that it wouldn't handle the moderate curves well. I don’t think mine has any issue at typical curves a driver can do 65 mph at without much attention, but it wouldn't work at a sharper ramp or or any curve that is challenging for the driver as well.
Ha ha, no, I wouldn’t call a 45-mph curve a moderate curve! That is a curve that would end you up off the road even if you blinked for a fraction of a second. I wouldn't trust TSS 2.0 or 3.0 at any curve with a yellow speed warning. 65-mph (or perhaps 55-mph) curves without a yellow speed warning are OK. How well does the adaptive curve-speed control work in TSS 3.0?
It is quite subtle and I have not particularly noticed it. I turned off the proactive braking assist because it would brake too quickly for my linong when there was a car in front of me. i prefer braking gently to regenerate more power.
Excellent point! However (comma!) if you need a hatchback I would submit that there are others that are better at doing 'that.' If you HAVE to get EITHER a Camry or a G5 Prius? Yeah. The G5 has a hatch, and if you "need" one of those - the G5 Prius is a good (if expensive) option. Best,
In my case we decided we did NOT want a hatchback thi time. We have a 2000 Tundra pickup truck for the large stuff.
2025 Camry SE HEV emergency-handling maximum avoidance-maneuver maximum speed (CR): 53 mph 2025 Prius XSE PHEV emergency-handling maximum avoidance-maneuver maximum speed (CR): 57 mph So, it is black and white: Camry HEV is a grandpa/grandma car in terms of handling in comparison to Prius PHEV. And Camry HEV has no plug. Prius PHEV is the clear winner here unless you are looking for a larger but slow-handling car and don’t care about BEV driving.
Why pick the Camry SE? The XSE is supposed to have the best sporty handling. I like the ride comfort of my XLE though.
To compare apples to apples, why didn't you compare the Prius to the Camry? That are both HEVs. You chose the PHEV so you could tout ist "advantage" of having plugin EV capability, something the Camry never claimed to have.
No, it would have been even more apples and oranges because CR tested Prius XLE AWD HEV. AWD changes the emergency-handling dynamics. It apparently made it worse, Prius XLE AWD HEV having scored 54 mph vs. Prius XSE PHEV having scored 57 mph. For me, I would not downgrade to an HEV anyway—either a PHEV or a BEV from this point on.
Prius Prime is 220 hp combined and 6.5 seconds 0 to 60 mph per Car and Driver versus Prius Hybrid is 194 hp combined and 7.1 seconds 0 to 60 I couldn’t find info on the Prius AWD but probably a bit slower than the fwd. Camry Hybrid AWD is in a similar range at 6.8 seconds to 60 mph.
I'm wondering the same. We have a '17 Prime Advanced with 352k miles and an '07 Prius with 520k miles. The '07 needs some work (we just put a bunch of money into it) so I think it's done. So, we might need two new commuter cars soon. My husband has been driving my '16 WRX for the past while, and it's now at 80k (started at 30k before he used it to commute) and I can't see it handling this kind of use that much longer. I drive 50k/yr and my husband drives 25k/yr. I'm going to buy either a Prius Prime SE, Camry XSE, '22 Avalon Limited or a Lexus ES300h luxury. That's what I've narrowed it down to. We have rented a base Prius for the week. I don't like the inside of the new Prius. It feels claustrophobic to me. I'm not a big person and I own two seater sports cars (Corvettes/Porsche) so I'm used to cars with less interior space. My husband isn't bothered by it. I'm going to trade in the rental Prius for a '25 Camry LE and see what that is like. If I don't like either, I'll go with the Lexus (which is just a Camry, anyway) if I'm using to commute. If my husband commutes with it, we will go Prius Prime. I carry a spare in the '17 Prime and have gotten a flat three times in the past five years. The new Prime has even less space, so I don't know how this would work. The camry comes with a spare. The Prime or even base Prius gets much better gas mileage. For a second commuter car, it will be another Tesla. We already have a '22 Model Y Performance. I don't commute with it. I'm considering getting either a low mileage used MYP or a model 3 performance and just driving it for 50k/yr and seeing what happens. The Tesla brings joy to my life that the Toyota doesn't. If you don't drive an insane amount and the 120k mile/8 years makes sense, I would recommend test driving a Tesla Model 3 or Y also. Note- those of you buying, after much running around, I can get a Prius Prime SE for 32.5k or a Camry SE with the cold weather and convenience package for 32k. I can't find lower. They don't seem to be negotiating a whole lot, even in December.
The Lexus ES300h Luxury appears to be between the Camry LE & XLE. The Camsy XSE equivalent would be the Lexus ES300h F Sport Handling. If the versions compare, the Lexus only has the Safety 2.0 vs the STAR 3.0 on the Camry. I would try to drive a Camry XLE before buying the Lexus. many have compared the new Camry to the Lexus, but for much less money. I test drove a Camry SE before buying my XLE a month ago and the ride is much better on my XLE. Adding the Premium Plus package to the XLE gives the ultimate safety features from Toyota. I am really pleased with my choice.
Yeah, if it hasn’t been upgraded to the Toyota/Lexus safety system 3.0 yet, don’t buy it. That is because that is the most important feature of a car by far.
Actually, I DID go back from my 2017 Prius Two that got a lifetime55.4 mpg of mainly highway driving before it was wrecked. So far. with winter fuel learning to drive my Camry XLE, I try to get over 44 mpg. It is much heavier and a smoother ride which is worth the tradeoff for me as I get older.
