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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by mikefocke, Nov 15, 2024 at 7:10 PM.

  1. bisco

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    i'm not sure what liberal leanings musk has besides climate change, which he would probably classify as science, which has no political leaning, except that people try to make it so
     
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    like his new buddy, he does not consider multiple children by multiple women a liberal tendency.
    to me, it's just a personality flaw
     
  3. Mr.Vanvandenburg

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    Sunsetting for four years, Constitution puts a new executive in. Liberals drive plenty of gas guzzling suvs, too. Funny but they are not the liberals. Liberals voted for someone who wants to overturn the present system of government. People of conservative nature want the Constitution we have. I do forgive him though because he really has no grasp of three branches of government and how it works. It’s that low IQ, can’t come down on a person for that disability.
     
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    I fail to understand what the environment and driving a car or an EV has to do with political parties or the constitution and I probably will never understand it. The only thing I see that had to do with tariffs and the constitution is that the revolution and following constitution were put in place largely because tariffs made it more expensive to live in the states.
     
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    Reading here that EV tax maybe going away... I thought about using the credit while it last to take $15,000 ($7,500 federal and $7,500 state) off the sales price of a new BEV... If I can find a base model 24 Equinox EV at $33,600 MSRP anywhere, that would be $18,600 price tag before tax and fees. But since it can't serve as a single car in our household, buying this car as a secondary car is a luxury not a necessity for me. Yeah, I think I will pass on the tax break. Have done without a second car for the last two years. And our current Escape PHEV is saving money overall from previous years when we had two cars (PP and Hybrid Pathfinder) in our household.
     
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    Odd thing is - when some rapper thug or others in the media/entertainment have multiple kids via multiple women? God forbid someone should suggest they have a character flaw.
    Kings X! Racist!
    That term is pretty broad. American liberalism is NOT some hairy chested person with a shaved head, & lipstick in a dress - pushing transgender ideology on children - grooming to change sex w/out parent's permission/knowledge, as just one small example. When the party stops cow-towing down to the fringe, grows some cojones & starts standing for their core values, things may get better.
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  7. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    One of the advantages of living where you live!
    Your state actually has low overall taxes AND generous BEV kickbacks.

    I would urge you to lean WAY away from vehicle (f)leases unless you fit into a VERY small group of people for whom it's only an overly expensive option, instead of a disastrously bad option.
    I think you mentioned it yourself.
    Transportation is not an investment, it's an expense.
    IIRC your state has something like a $4k kickback for used BEVs which may or may not be stackable with the $4k federal kickback.
    The only 2 problems are that you generally have to buy from a dealer, and what dealerships lack in morals they make up for in the ability to do math - which places them well above well meaning elitists who do not understand incentive structures and inflation - as we've seen all too clearly in the last few years.

    Get a well maintained used BEV/PHEV.
    DIY the whole charger thing or...since you rent work with your landlord to cost-share their property improvement.
    Back when I rented I would often DIY minor property improvements (ceiling and vent fans, lighting, fencing, etc) by having the cost for the materials deducted from my monthly rent.
    A Win Win that you may want to look into for solar - since PEV is scalable!

    Same can be said for conservatism.
    Many people are single-issue activists - or as we just saw, they pick the WRONG hills to fight and die on.
    This applies to everyone to some degree, as we've ALSO seen over the last two decades.

    As I've (probably, too) often said:
    The Human animal is REALLY REALLY poor at long term risk assessment.

    Otherwise we would not have credit cards and cigarettes..... ;)
     
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    I have been trying to comply with a government mandate that all HOA/POA directors register via fincen to prevent multi-organization financial fraud. It has taken 30 minutes to establish my identity. I'm not sure that the govt is spending enough to conquer the digital divide.
     
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    This is my thought. The Nissan Leaf we had would have been a great second car. But when we'd go visit family out of town (hundreds of miles away) in the 1985 VW diesel that had rust holes in the fenders, the wife didn't understand why we couldn't just take the 75 mile range Leaf instead.

    There were lease deals as low as $9 per month. $9 on a car that would cost about 1/3 or less to fuel than the other car would potentially save me money for around town. But I was afraid that initial payments and insurance would have easily stacked up and made it not as great of a deal.

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    Yep, it is possible to get these incentives, but then again I don't need another car just yet. And, as you've pointed out, there are the dealers to deal with (pun perhaps intended).

    I would DIY the charger like I did with the Leaf. The one good thing about the Leaf is it has such low capacity that 120V 15A was plenty to charge it up to 80% or full even.

    The landlord has no interest in improving any property. Lots of places she owns are in extreme disrepair, even condemned, and she doesn't care. She also doesn't want me to add anything, not even have a satellite dish installed.
     
  10. Mr.Vanvandenburg

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    The tea tax went to the King I believe, as you know. No more Kings was the idea.

    It isn’t political driving an eV or caring about the environment. One particular man used it as a wedge. It’s a powerful tool to get people to believe they are one side of something. Locks them in. Lock step voting, no protest voting for a candidate who can never win, throwing your vote away. It even went to dishwashers and I forgot what else. People get pulled into one side and the pull becomes something pretty dangerous. Like anyone against the man gets death threats almost immediately. Anything the man says or does is fine. Anyone he dislikes is attacked. It’s happened now, part of history.