Fueleconomy.gov has the Prius Prime

interesting, thanks. i had no idea the range was going that high. i find it strange that no one is going 150.

 

In one corner: A 200 mile LEAF
In the other corner: A 200 mile Tesla supported by the SuperCharger network

If the two cars are about the same price, are you going to have any trouble deciding which one to buy ?

 

With all these configurations these days it's definitely not apples to apples anymore. Volt less efficient but smaller and larger battery pack. Ioniq blue is the closest thing to the prius eco so that's a valid direct competitor.

The ioniq ev. Ore efficient than the prime. But a direct comparison would be imagine a prius with the same pack size? Then what. The ioniq plugin which im hearing is delayed to next year is more of a direct competitor to the prime and volt. Heck it's more against the prime, energis etc

Now I do think the prime is a competitor to the volt but the comparison is apples to pears.

 

if we are ever presented with this option, there will be many factors that go into the decision. i'm hoping the next leaf will be more practical.
but i suspect it will be a long time before you can walk into a tesla dealer and buy a model 3 for the same price you can buy a leaf, or even a bolt, or whatever else is available 5 years from now.

 

Same as another choice recently.......
"Neither."

If I HAD to choose between those two today it would be a no brainer for me.
A second generation LEAF.

Several years from now that choice might be different but warts notwithstanding the Leaf is a proven platform supported by an existing dealer network.

 

I think one major factor that goes into cars now is technology. Ie. Android and Apple integration, what can the car do? It's odd to think that the prime premium has all these goodies and it was less than a new pip 2012 and less than my prius III 2010 after incentives.

The prime surprises me all the time. It warned me to rest the other day from what I suspect was to go over the left or right lines so many times. I even saw an odd quick climate mode that I haven't had the time to figure out... Cool things just pop up, even the auto high beams and lights. These were no present in our 2010 which was 3k more.


Now if Toyota messes with the tablet... Say allow a smart phone to connect and it to simulate touch but with extra apps to tell all of the cars functionality and secured open source.... We will have a huge winner

 

It would have blown a hole in their claims if they weren't comparing the Ioniq hybrid to just the Prius, and the Electric to just the Bolt.

depends

There are more Nissan dealerships around to actually see the Leaf in person.
When these cars come to market, many buyers would still opt to take their other car on long trips.
And after Nissan incentives and Tesla options, they won't be the same price.

For me, I'll likely need the tax incentive to get a new BEV at this point.

 

No - the Leaf.

Car Brands Reliability: How They Stack Up - Consumer Reports

#1 - Lexus
#2 - Toyota
...
#13 - Nissan
...
#25 - Tesla

Tesla is 25th of 29 - between GMC and Dodge. To me, reliability is almost everything.

 

Then you should pay attention to WHY and WHERE the reliability problems are, and how each company deals with them. Nissan lets a battery degrade ~ 33% before it is called a problem.

 

Well, I wouldn't buy a Leaf either (I could have bought one for $10k and didn't) but I would certainly select one over a Model 3, and not least for reliability reasons. A Model 3 is likely to be worse than a 2015 Model S (which CR's survey panned) at least at first due to it being brand new.

Reliability is Tesla's Achilles heel. You can't be down there with GMC and Fiat especially with so few service centers (my nearest one is 21 miles away). It's also killing them with warranty costs.

 

This will be a challenge for Tesla. Of the Model S and X owners I know, they have all reported significant repair issues, but still love their cars and brand in large part because of the Tesla service experience.

But herein are some of the problems. Repair wait times are getting longer, sales are growing and expected to grow much faster than new service stations, and we don't know if Tesla will be as generous with their repair service with their model 3.

 

is tesla desperate for novice repair help? i need to fill some time.

 

I don't know where you got 7 minutes to refuel the Prime. The pump I use at Costco produces 1 gallon every 7-8 seconds. That means the refueling process itself never takes longer than 60 seconds. I usually manage 3 minutes including driving in, getting the machine setup with my card, tank open, fill up, empty trash bag, finish, get receipt and drive away.

 

Scary to see the Leaf at 85 miles range 112 MPGe...and yet there's the Volt catching up to that range. Don't know how plugin vehicles are doing it...but they are. I think if Toyota releases a more efficient solar roof Prime in the US (even if it's 3k more), they would gain more customers who can't find a plug, but may plug out in the sun either at their house or parking lot.

And I do mean efficient, I'm not sure what the current efficiency is for the Prime with Solar, but SunPower would be one way to go...and solar technology just keeps improving. Heck, I would even go beyond the roof, put some panels angled right at the top of the windshield, maybe top of the hood. The Prime Solar roof is a very interesting concept, are there real world figures for that trim?

 

That trim was not sold yet anywhere. Toyota claim is less than 2 miles per average day, a bit more than 3 miles in a perfect day.

 

They will not be the same price.

Nissan doesn't have to make any money on them. Tesla must. Base trim model 3s wont even be readily available for a while.