Worst navigation I’ve used!

Not clear what the problem is with doing a U-turn...?


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That's Toyota's way of Entertaining you. lol All joking aside, making U-turn is sometime quicker than "re-calculating" alternative route. But I hear you, the NAV is not very smart. I still use Garmin on my dash for my navigation needs.

 

Hmmm... I interpret their use of “legal” to mean, “make a U-turn when and where it is legal [and safe] to do so.” That, as opposed to something like “immediately at all costs”! In short, “lawyers will be lawyers...”


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So, I gather the concern over U-turns is that they are too-frequently illegal to be a meaningful action for a NAV to suggest?

That’s not the case here in Texas, so it would never even occurred to me, or apparently to them, that that would be an issue.


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Is any navigation system perfect?
Usually there is some legal caveat putting the responsibility for your driving decisions entirely on you, despite what your navigation system might say.
Therefore I think "Make a Legal U-Turn" is just insulation from liability, they can't really just say...make a U-Turn.

Of all the navigation systems you have used, which one do you like the best?

They do vary, too bad you seemed un-satisfied with your built in navigation system. You wouldn't be the first.

 

the problem is not the u turn warning, it's the fact that the unit is not recalculating a new route. i wonder if a setting needs to be changed, even my '04 did that.

i hear you o/p, and so do a lot of other toyota drivers. !@#$%^&*

 

I’ve had some pretty bad navigation systems in the past (one tried to get me to turn right into a canal in the middle of the night) but I don’t find the primes unit to be that horrible. I prefer to use Waze, but the stock nav has gotten me where I needed to go close to my waze estimate.


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I personally find that Toyota’s NAV generally works just great! Not always of course, but almost always.

“So, what is this ‘legal U-turn’ concept you speak of?” Haha

I personally don’t see anything bad about taking a U-turn to “get back on track,” assuming that’s the most direct way to do so.

 

Car manufacturers don't supply good navigation systems. They never have and there's little point in starting now.

10 years ago, it would have been worth some indignant posts about "how can they charge so much and deliver so little??"

But it's 2018. Now the question is "Why are you still forking over money for the same poor results after being burnt so many times?"

We had our new car about 4 days before the stock system came out and a proper aftermarket went in. I wouldn't dream of doing it any other way.

 

I really do not understand why would anyone with a smartphone (almost everyone) choose to use car's nav. Smartphone apps are by definition more up to date, have more competition (good for user), more portable (goes with you to another vehicle) and are free for the most part. Car's nav is usually stuck in the 20th century and is expensive, not responsive to changes in market (or maps in some cases) and is "glued" forever to your car. Why would anyone want to use car's nav if smartphone is available?

I personally use Waze (I like the warnings for police and other obstacles it provides) and/or Google maps.

 

I totally agree with. My PRIME Premium is the very first car I ever purchased that came with NAV. I usually buy trim that has no NAV. Paying a couple grands more for something that I rarely use and usually do not work is absolutely waste of money. But for PRIME there was no choice for that.

Does smartphone Nav require cellular data connection while in use in cars? I don't have cellular data connection on my phone. I have used Google Map, but not for navigation. I think, I will stick with Garmin.

 

We recently moved from Texas to Oregon, and were in California before that. One of the reeducation endeavors I've had to make is that in CA and TX, U turns are generally allowed unless a prohibition is posted. In Oregon, they are forbidden unless specifically signed to allow it. So "legal U-turn" actually means something here.

 

I look at it the other way. This is why the prime (among many other cars) is simply dead to my dollars.

This is a gray area. Some navigation apps allow the user to download map data to the phone's internal memory and have the road routing logic running locally as well. In these cases, you don't need any cellular data signal for proper navigation.

Other apps are entirely dependent on accessing a remote map library and using a remote API for the routing logic.

 

Yeah, there are a lot of wasted dollars in my Prime beside 11.6 LCD and entire infotainment system, like wasted rear seats that have not had a single person sit on in the last 16 months. Side by side comparison, my PRIME Premium has more wasted things but way better car than my previous Gen3 Prius Two, and cheaper.

Garmin does that fine with free life time map update.

 

Both Garmin & TomTom offer phone apps that essentially duplicate the performance of their respective portable navigation devices, but running on your own hardware. AFAIK both of them fall into the category of "works without cellular" once you've installed some map files on your phone.

 

The car comes standard with nav (won't say free because it's built into the cost of the car), but since it's no longer a profit center and is basically a give-away with no possibility of making back any investment in it, there is little to no reason to spend lots of funds to make it better. Basically it's a check-box item when people are considering the car. Few enough people will not buy the car because it's navigation isn't "as good" as another brands, certainly not so many (especially on a low volume car like the prime) that it makes economic sense to do anything about it.

The prime will eventually get entune 3.0 (don't know when, but it doesn't make sense for Toyota to support two systems so they'll roll that out across the board to all vehicles (with more or less features)), then you'll have phone projection and auto-map updates which will hit other check-boxes.