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Why do the religious right bother to take medications?

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  1. burritos

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    After all, the effects of medications is determined on the same scientific method(ie scientific research and studies) used to elucidate other fields, ie global warming and evolution. When you take prescribed drugs like blood pressure medications, antibiotics, insulin, etc... there is no guarantee that the medication will absolutely work. From SCIENTIFIC studies there is only a statistical likelihood that a blood pressure medication will lower your blood pressure and delay heart disease, stroke, and death. Same is true with antibiotics. Even the best antibiotics are never 100% effective against the bacteria that they target. Taking an antibiotic does not "factually" guarantee eradication of an infection, it's only "theoretical." If it were factually effective they'd work every single time which obviously is not true.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Aug 13 2006, 06:27 PM) [snapback]302687[/snapback]</div>
    There was a Doonesbury comic related to this.
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    i guess in this case the end justifies the means? research by godless, evolutionist and liberal scientists :)rolleyes:) is okay if the drug is something you need?

    i'd like to hear the responses here.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Aug 13 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]302712[/snapback]</div>
    It's the selfish hyprocrisy of the religious right. They'll ignore their religious tenets and embrace the fruits of godless science if it helps their own health and lives. They'll justify it with the logic that "God wanted me to live longer and that's why he provided me doctors and medicine."(I've actually had a co-worker who justified her sleeping in and ditching work, cause he "asked god if she should go to work, but god told her to sleep in.")But if it offends their beliefs such as evolution over creationism, then they'll gladly turn their backs on the same science and mode of thinking one second after they've digested their precious life saving medication.
     
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    Read the studies on prayer at a distance, for a good laugh. The negative results were explained away as methodological problems LOL.
     
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    I thought this thread was going to be a joke, and the punchline was going to be something about creationists being a bunch of drug-crazed loonies.

    The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (by Bobby Henderson - available at amazon.com and in bookstores) asserts that all born-agains are cocaine addicts.

    It's not just medicine, though. The wacko religious right is happy to employ the fruits of science for building weapons of war, including WMDs (of which the USA has more than any other country - probably more than all the rest of the world put together). Paleontology and geology appear to be the only branches of science the loony-birds reject.
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Aug 13 2006, 10:05 PM) [snapback]302773[/snapback]</div>
    and anything using DNA sequence homology.
     
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    First of all, define the religious right, and 2nd, why does this comparison or analogy even make sense?

    Kind of like saying...why would a person against violence call the police if he sees a fight...the cops might have to violently arrest the person.

    IOW....what a silly question.
     
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    hasn't anyone told them that if they quit the meds and drive that
    powerful SUV into a bridge abutment at high speed, they'll go
    immediately to valhalla and eat grapes and have sex and play harps
    for the rest of eternity? I mean, a little propaganda might be
    able to have the whole problem self-regulate, a la jonestown.
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    _H*
     
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    I'm not going to speculate on the topic in hand, but rather pass a glancing blow of staying on topic.

    Shortly after President Bush banned Federal support of Embryonic Stem Cell Research, I made up my mind: "My first wish would be for a series of events to be put into motion in which President George W. Bush publicly becomes infected with a previously unknown and fatel disease with an expected lifespan of five years and eventually completely cured exclusively through the application of a privately-funded stem cell-derived cure."

    I'm still working on my second and third wishes.
     
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    Cliff Notes:

    oh no people don't agree lets call them insane...they say the other people are terrorists well i say they are terrorists and that makes me right
    ::much back patting and ego polishing ensues::
     
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    Insane ? not usually.

    Hypocritical, self-serving, deluded and dangerous, way too often.
     
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    9.75 words per adjective you sir get an e-cookie from the grammar nazi

    oh and you are a mustuvio
     
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    Why is it okay to make fun of 'the religious right'? I mean, if they make fun of the 'liberal thinker', you would be ticked, right?

    As a preacher, and a liberal one at that, I just don't get the hate.

    Now I have a headache. Better take a Advil. Yup.
     
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    Hmmmm...let us think about this one. Viagra is a go with virtually ALL health insurance companies. Birth control is not.

    Interesting, no?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Aug 14 2006, 12:53 AM) [snapback]302888[/snapback]</div>
    The religious right is who is in power. They might not make fun of the 'liberal thinker' but they certainly ignore their warnings and recommendations. They do this mostly to ensure they satisfy the base who think all you need to know to get along in life is the bible. Anything that conflicts with the bible is literally wrong and evil. Why do you think this organization has come to being?

    http://www.ucsusa.org/
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Aug 13 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]302715[/snapback]</div>
    Can you lay out the tenants of the religious right faith that says they don't do research or take medication derived from research? Maybe I missed something in sunday school, you can clue me in.

    You don't have to be Godless to be a scientist. Typically God fearing men and woman of science tend to do well, find cures, and invent things. There's nothing wrong with that. Any well balanced God fearing scientist will remember to not try to be god, or replace God with his/her work.

    There are plenty of avenues of science where a Christian man or woman can enjoy a fulfilling scientific career without needing to leave God at home when they come to work. There are plenty of cures and discoveries left inside of the God given moral boundries.

    There is some science that should not be persued. example... If you find the right people, put them in the right room with enough funding, within 10 years, they could come up with a device, that when completed and tested could explode the entire earth. Do you think that because it is science that we should proceed? Or, do you think the 99.99999% of the other people on the planet should have some say as to whether or not this avenue of science is allowed?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Aug 14 2006, 09:45 AM) [snapback]302977[/snapback]</div>
    How does the science of evolution or global warming result in the explosion of th earth?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Aug 13 2006, 10:53 PM) [snapback]302888[/snapback]</div>
    I can't speak for others, but I don't see this as making fun of the religious right. More of an honest question as to why they will go against their morals/beliefs when they benefit, but are vehemently opposed to anything not benefitting them which is "immoral" or "against God" or whatever other buzzphrase they're using at the time. It seems to me that they're not preaching Christianity, they are preaching their particular version of Christianity in which they are always correct.


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Aug 14 2006, 07:45 AM) [snapback]302977[/snapback]</div>
    I can't recall any specific passages at the moment, and different sects of Christianity see things differently, but it boils down to a matter of following God's will. If God wants someone to die, why should we try to save them? That is going against the will of God. If the Bible says something, then ANYTHING that says differently is a lie, even though the Bible was written by people collecting information from many sources.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Aug 13 2006, 06:27 PM) [snapback]302687[/snapback]</div>
    I think you've got the religious right confused with the sceintology crowd. They are the one who do not believe in medications but rather a holistic approach... Just listen to Tom Cruise, he's a theta 7 (in his mind he has the power to heal).