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What type of CVT is under the hood?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by RMulligan, Aug 22, 2010.

  1. RMulligan

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    I checked several pages of threads trying to find an answer to the question. I found an excellent website that explained how a CVT works. But I have no idea which type is used; pulley-based, toroidal or hydrostatic. Thanks for your help.

    Here is the website: HowStuffWorks "How CVTs Work"
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    It is not a CVT. It is actually a planetary gear, and there is only 1 "gear".
     
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    planetary gear. wikipedia is your friend.
     
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    Well, forget that if you are interested in how your Prius works.

    The Prius doesn't really have a CVT in any normal sense of the word. The Prius uses two electric motor/generators and a fixed set of planetary gears to transmit the power to the wheels. Some of the power from the engine is transmitted directly through the mechanical gear path, some is transmitted electrically through the two motor generators. The ratio of mechanical to electrical power transmission determines the effective gear ratio. Note that I use the term "effective". At no time does the physical gear ratio change. The electrical path allows for a nearly infinite number of effective gears, which is why you will often hear people use the term "eCVT", or electrical CVT.

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    So you -could- call it a "computer controlled magnetic CVT". No gear ratios are harmed.
     
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    You could also call it a flibbitty-widget, but it isn't.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    The early internal Toyota documentation used the term flibbitty-widget, but that name was dropped before it went into production.

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    You are right, that is how the 2010 Prius brochure describes the Transmission. But all the other posts in this thread about planetary gears is confusing unless they are talking about how the MGs are are added to the ICE on the input/power side of the CVT.

    So my original question still remains, what kind of CVT is it?
     
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    Just for info
    On the back of MG1 is an oval rotor.When it spins (being fixed to MG1) it produces two pulse waves, one sine one cosine. The ECM then knows what both MG1 & MG2 are doing by this particular unit called a resolver.
    Actros
     
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    It's been described to you at different levels of detail in at least 3 correct ways. Ignore the posts that just mention planetary gears.

    If you just want a label, it's called a eCVT.

    If you want to understand how it works, study the link you quoted.

    The MGs are an integral part of the eCVT, without them it wouldn't be a CVT
     
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    Are they doing something with the phase data or are they just using it to determine rpm?
     
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    Electric CVT, just like an EV with single speed.

    eCVT is fundamentally different from the tradition CVT.

    Tradition CVT (mechanical) uses physical ratio to multiply torque. eCVT uses electricity to multiply torque. Low gear in eCVT means juice to the electric motor. High gear to eCVT means just route anemic Atkinson cycle gas engine torque directly to the wheels.

    The blending of two power sources creates the CVT effect. It is like no other transmissions before because they were designed and limited to work with a single power source. eCVT is the first to take advantage of two power sources and simplify the mechanics.

    Not all transmissions in all hybrids take advantage of it. Honda IMA, Nissan Direct Hybrid drive, Hyundai Blue Drive all use mechanical transmissions with the same complex legacy parts. They'll try to market that it will give you the familiar feel (reads same jerk and lag). You now know better not to fall for it.
     
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    Might wanna check out the link and play with the flash demo of the eCVT.

    Basically: Engine RPM = power produced. The rpms of the various MG supplies and converts power from one to the other. MGs produce the most torque when they're closer to 0 rpm, where as the ICE produces the most torque when its at max rpm.

    Balancing all 3 allows the prius transmission to "Shift" from most power to most speed based on the rpms of the 3 components. At high speeds, the engine has nothing to push against to deliver power, so it changes the MG attached to the wheels and supplies power to the sun gear for the ICE to push against.
     
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    Prius never shift a gear. It shifts continously variable between the two hybrid powertrains. The end result is an ultimate drivetrain that does not require additional gearbox for "transmission".
     
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    Your original question was answered several times. The planetary gearing and the MGs *are* the CVT.

    The problem here is that you have a pre-conceived idea about how transmissions work, but the one in the Prius is unlike anything you have ever seen. It takes some serious thinking to understand how it works. It is conceptually complex but mechanically simple.

    Tom