What is best year model for PHEV conversion?

Gen2 is the most matured for after-market PHV upgrades. For Gen3, Enginer kit is available. PICC recently successfully hacked into Gen3 to allow safe EV above 62 MPH (by keeping the ICE spinning powered by MG1).

Once Gen3 PHV kits matures, it will be better. Gen3 gearing requires ICE to spin at lower RPM above the threshold (62 MPH).

 

Also keep in mind it will void your hybrid warranty. So I would suggest a GenII with 100k miles (or 150k in CARB states). But some people are picky with new vs. used cars.

 

Agreed. Right now Gen2 is most mature but Gen3 holds more promise given the better engineered drivetrain and other various improvements / efficiency boosts.

Regarding warranty--that is still unclear really. Toyota has to prove that whatever modification you make caused the problem in question. There is a lot of discussion as to whether or not Toyota will honor any warranties on the existing battery (for battery supplement / addon conversions only of course). If you get a battery /replacement/ conversion, then the conversion company is generally liable for the battery warranty instead of Toyota.

Andrew

 

Correct. Below 62 MPH, ICE will be at 0 RPM. MG1 will spin slower in Gen3 as well, reducing some mechanical loss.

 

I have both a 2005 and a 2010 each with 4kwhr and 3k converters.

The 2010 will go a little faster before engaging the ICE but the 2005 will do better at not engaging the ICE when the car is not fully warm.

I can get 99.9mpg in the Prius trip gauge as an average for 15 mile trips in town on either car. I do have to change my driving technique a little between the 2 cars. At 99.9mpg the ICE temp becomes very important because the ICE is off so much of the time.

On the average, the 2010 clearly get better mpg even with no PHEV installed.

Thanks,
Dan

 

Dan:

You are in a great position with one of each car.

I live in Colorado and with the tax incentives (85% cost of kit), I'm starting to look at a Prius for our family. I'm torn between a GenII and GenIII.

It would be great if you were able to create a matrix that shows the pros and cons of each Prius generation (II and III) for different driving conditions, temperatures and trip lengths. As well as a little more detail on how you drive differently in each of the cars.

It seems to me that that I might have a problem getting the ICE warm enough for a good part of the year here in Colorado. Maybe not?

Thanks,

Mark

 

If I was in that situation, I would definitely pick a GenII. If you can find a fairly low milage 2008 or 2009, it will be much less than a new GenIII. (If you can find one with a backup camera, that would also be a big plus.) Also, in my opinion Toyota "cheaped out" with the GenIII by requiring a higher option package just to get things like the Smart Key System on all doors, which was available on almost all the GenII, and the Solar Kit is a huge expense too for some GenIIIs, which adds to the price. If you absolutely had to have a new Prius, I would pick the Prius II package and live with the shortcomings though.

Now, if somebody else was paying 85% of a PHEV conversion, I would definitely go with the PICC as linuxpenguin has done. You can read many of his observations on this forum. With 85% off the price, just the residual value added by the kit should be worth the 15% you would be paying.

In my situation, I went with the Hymotion kit, and a 50% rebate from Florida. It too is a very good kit, but the engine still does come on occasionally. I am hopeful that pEEf will perfect his CAN bus kit, because then the Hymotion kit interaction with the Prius will be more controlled by the driver.

 

Thanks for the info.

Sadly, the state is only rebating the Hymotion and the Enginer kits, not the PICC one.

Thanks for the info about the camera. I didn't realize it was that important.

Mark

 

Do you have more info on the 85% rebate within CO?

 

It appears that I can't post a link until I have 5 posts.

 

What is so good about having a backup camera?

 

Here is post 5!

 

Check page 17 at the end of the document

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellit...goBlobs&blobwhere=1251650070498&ssbinary=true

Mark

 

We have one with a backup camera, and one without. The backup camera will help you see if a small child is behind the car, or a bicycle is laying behind the car, when you're backing out. Therefore many people without small children feel they don't need the camera, but the Prius that didn't have the backup camera is also the one that hit a small post sticking out of the ground that couldn't be seen, thus causing about the price of the backup camera in damage. Also, when backing out when parked next to a big SUV, you can see if anybody is walking toward the car, or if traffic is approaching. There has been a couple of times with the backup camera that I have seen somebody walking that I didn't see when looking. Maybe the camera makes me a bit more careful, double or triple-checking while backing.

 

Here in Florida, the Hymotion was the only one that qualified for the 50% rebate. I would have chosen it over the Enginer kit anyway though. At an 85% rebate, the Hymotion would cost less than a basic Enginer kit, which is a spectacular bargain. The Hymotion kit is far superior to a basic Enginer kit, at least in my situation looking for purely EV driving. If you've got a 50 mile commute everyday, the two kits start to even out, since an EV mile is an EV mile no matter the kit or the amps that was delivered.

 

The state caps the Hymotion rebate at $6,000, so it's not 85% for that one.

Mark