Was Pat Tillman an Atheist?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Apr 29 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]432342[/snapback]</div>

This must be bogus. How can he be an all-American hero if he's not a Christian?
(sarcasm)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tyrin @ Apr 29 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]432347[/snapback]</div>

And...

Does it really matter and to whom?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patrickindallas @ Apr 29 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]432386[/snapback]</div>

Agreed.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patrickindallas @ Apr 29 2007, 09:41 PM) [snapback]432386[/snapback]</div>

Maybe to the HUGE percentage of Americans who do not trust athiests and rank them lower than blacks, women, gays, and Muslims. LOL

 

i don't think he's insulting him directly saying "He's worm dirt" but rather he's just emphasizing the futility of atheist thinking. What DOES happen after you die if you are an atheist?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(flareak @ Apr 29 2007, 11:52 PM) [snapback]432425[/snapback]</div>

*sigh*

 

i find a post like this offensive.

pat and his younger brothers grew up with my brothers and i. who are we to question his faith?

please close this topic....

 

And the winner for the most irrelevant post of 2007 goes to...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(flareak @ Apr 30 2007, 01:52 AM) [snapback]432425[/snapback]</div>

Probably the same thing that happens if you're not ;-)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(V8Cobrakid @ Apr 30 2007, 03:50 AM) [snapback]432435[/snapback]</div>

totally agree. he was a true American hero - wherther or not he believed in God will never be known but why is that important. His actions spoke loudest of all. I bought his Jersey for all three of my boys after he was killed and a portion of that money was also sent to his charity - he was a pro athlete and American i would not mind my boys looking to for inspiration.

perhaps a more worthy topic would have been to honor him as an American and leave his own personal religious beliefs alone.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(V8Cobrakid @ Apr 30 2007, 02:50 AM) [snapback]432435[/snapback]</div>

I wholeheartedly agree - this is in very poor taste. Besides Pat Tillman is dead - let him rest in peace.

I say this as an Evangical Christian that also find some of the threads attacking my beliefs vulgar as well. A few camping out almost exclusively at PHOP have some obvious anger problems and haven't a clue as to their loss of credibility. I did not join PriusChat to find out some troll around only in politcal/social/spiritual banter, challenging me to "man up" for hours of vitrol, knowing the usual flamers are never going to change their views anyway. Remarks such as suggesting everything claiming to be Christian the past 2,000 years is evil is just one example of anger out of control....and I'm a complete, utter idiot for having those beliefs (according to some at FHOP)...those that have vented such stuff - is that going to change minds? Few things are more absurd than people expecting to change one's beliefs while going out of their way to be patently offensive - if this is not insanity, it does not exist.

BTW, this is exactly what is poisioning PHOP and PC per a recent poll concerning anger.

It's a shame Pat Tillman's life was so short, but he lived it as fully and as unselfishly as he could.

 

The point of the thread is not Pat Tillman. People are discussing why would his beliefs matter regarding his death and following cover-up. Apparently it did to the colonel that insulted him and his family.


"I say this as an Evangical(sic) Christian that also find some of the threads attacking my beliefs vulgar as well." I am sorry but if you join a discussion group and want to be treated as an adult you should expect any of your ideas to be discussed and criticized. I find personal attacks to be very rare at PC and I find people are pretty good at criticizing ideas and not the person.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Apr 30 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]432483[/snapback]</div>

It is obvious Burritos has a major hard on for Christians - he started another current thread where he states if you think Christ may return in 2007 you shouldn't be allowed to vote. He cited a poll that was done but it doesn’t list the questions that were asked, so we don’t know what they were actually answering. You can't be surprised after attacking people for their religion it won't be taken personally.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Apr 30 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]432483[/snapback]</div>

The "man up" bait again. {sigh}

Some might find it rational to join a forum to discuss hybrids and Prius, then dwell largely or exclusively on controversial topics - sorry that logic evades me.

I do find a lot of material in PHOP to be hostile, and some of it personal. By a strange concidence there was a recent poll question on concerning the anger.

So "being an adult" is when to people have two opposing beliefs that clearly are not going to change, to banter in very long threads like I've seen at FHOP, with a generous dose of ridicule and other negativity? I've had friends/co-workers of various beliefs and discuss them, but nothing like the extended or bitter manner I've seen it here. Just another example of people pretending it's OK to say/do things on the internet that would cause a lot of problems in-person.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Apr 30 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]432495[/snapback]</div>

If they enjoy, sure. If it bothers you maybe you should consider not participating in those specific threads or censoring certain people. However, you can not expect other people to change their behavior for your benefit when you are the one choosing to read their thread.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(flareak @ Apr 30 2007, 01:52 AM) [snapback]432425[/snapback]</div>

You mean, what happens to the dead person? Nothing. What happens to the flame after the candle goes out? It doesn't go to candle heaven; it simply ceases to be.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ari14850 @ Apr 30 2007, 05:12 AM) [snapback]432439[/snapback]</div>

Excellent answer!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 30 2007, 05:32 AM) [snapback]432440[/snapback]</div>

That would be nice, but at this place and time people give much weight to religion. It's important and necessary to point out that ethical behaviour does not require religion.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Apr 30 2007, 08:23 AM) [snapback]432465[/snapback]</div>

I can't see where discussion of Pat Tillman's beliefs, or the beliefs of the Tilman family are of concern to anyone. We all have beliefs and Atheists have belief and faith just as Christians and Atheists do not have the security blanket of generally formalized religions to rely upon for comfort.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(flareak @ Apr 30 2007, 02:52 AM) [snapback]432425[/snapback]</div>

When a person dies they are gone. Kaput. Fini. Over. Done. Baked. Whatever euphamism you want to attach to it. Christiand generally like to believe a person's essence or sould lives for ever. Atheists generally choose to believe the memories of a person is all that is left. Since the only known debate happens amongst the living, none of us can say with certaintly what happens, except for the part about the deceased not being among us any more as a living entity.

The concepts and theories about energy pools and life essense are interesting and do no contradict Atheist or Christian thinking. A person is the sum of their beliefs and to go into combat with a set of beliefs that makes you the end all of your existance may take even more courage than for a person who believes in the almighty...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 30 2007, 05:32 AM) [snapback]432440[/snapback]</div>

Unfortunately, in America, there is no longer such a thing as a 'personal belief.'
[sigh]