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Unusual grinding noise when accelerating

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by yibo829, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. yibo829

    yibo829 Junior Member

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    Hi guys,

    I'm experiencing an unusual grinding noise when accelerating from a dead stop but only in this specific situation.
    1. When battery is at a low state of charge and the AC is on, therefore, whenever I slightly step on the gas the engine will immediately start.
    2. Only under this condition, when I slightly press on the gas and the engine will start to charge the battery and propel the car at the same, there is a slight grinding noise coming from the front of the car. I don't know what this noise is, it sounds like gears grinding, it's very light though.
    I know it's not the brake accumulator noise, because that's a whole different sound, and also this only happens under the condition I described above. When battery is low and ac is on, and the engine will need to start right away even when gas peddle is slightly depressed.
    The best way to describe the sound is if you were to take a soda can and cut it in half and rub the two halves together (the edges) it sounds like that.

    Also, there are no lights on the dash.
    It's a 2009 with about 73,400 miles.
    The transaxle oil has already been changed maybe 10,000 miles ago.
    The noise started recently, at least I only noticed it recently since it's summer and I have the ac on much more.
    There are no drivability issues, but the thing is, this noise was not there before, I know I'm not hearing things. You know when you drove a car for quite some time you will naturally know what sounds are normal and what sounds are new.

    Any input would help,
    Thank you!
     
  2. nh7o

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    As you continue to accelerate, does the noise stop at some point? Or, does the sound continue but perhaps you don't hear it due to road noise? If the AC is off, but the battery is still low, does it happen if you accelerate quickly, needing the engine right away? Can you localize the sound to one side or another, perhaps enlisting the help of a passenger to listen out the window?
     
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    It doesn't sound like an MG problem, seeing as it only happens at low SOC when the ICE is doing most of the work. If it was a transaxle problem you'd expect it to be just as noticeable at normal/high states of charge too.

    So maybe it's something as simple as the heat shield on the exhaust rattling and rubbing. Or something similar that's happening when the ICE is under more strain and vibrates a bit more than usual. It might also be worth checking that all the engine mounts are good.
     
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    Those are good pointers, I will take it to the dealer eventually and I will have an idea what to tell them to check.
    Regarding the heat shield on the exhaust rattling scenario, could that be the reason why the car vibrates slightly when it's backing up onto an incline? I find it weird that the car has a slight vibration when in reverse...
     
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    Bad wheel bearing. You definitely can get grinding noises, and sometimes clunking noises
     
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    Maybe bad ICE water pump? Check the pulley by hand for any motion while engine is off.
     
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    Trying to revive this old thread, I am having a very similar, if not the same, issue on my 2004. Car has 186k, work done has been usual timely oil changes, an HV battery swap with a rebuilt, 12v battery replacement, power steering system replacement due to a fight with a curb on ice, front strut/coil replacements with Detroit Axle easy swappers, NGK spark plugs, catalytic due to scumbag thieves, Millercat shield plate to protect cat and that is pretty much it. No dash lights, no codes, car behaves very well otherwise. My MPG seems to fluctuate as any in this year range, Spring/Fall averages about 45, Winter/Summer averages about 40. I believe it could use a look over on up-front bushings due to some bump bobble type noises but she drives straight and doesn't fight me in any way.

    The noise on my vehicle only hits under certain conditions, too cold or too hot, there is a middle ground where it seems to go away...usually. The noise seems to come from the front right of the car (passenger) and mainly when the car is at a dead stop (ICE off and electric full stop) and you punch the accelerator. The noise almost sounds like a blend of heat shield rattle mixed with the noise of ABS activating, involving that slight grinding noise and sensation that accompanies ABS engagement. I can faintly feel a vibration accompany the noise/grind when it occurs. The wheels turn freely, no real hesitation and the noise/grind/rattle tapers off as the car gains speed. I can almost fully mitigate the noise from happening if I slowly bring the car up to speed from a dead stop rather than lay on the accelerator so it must be something that engages the driveline on takeoff and when it is put under instant heavy load? Occasionally the noise/grind will occur if I am at a low rolling speed, say to yield, and I punch the accelerator while the ICE and electric are already in low motion so that part baffles me as to why it seems to also sometimes happen when the car is fully fired-up so to speak. Could this be a bad water pump bearing that smooths out as the harmonics balance out? That is the only component I can think of in the general area of the engine bay where I suspect this noise/grind is coming from. I believe mine to be original to the car, shows no leaks and I have never run into an overheat warning due to poor performance.

    I replaced my drive belt over the weekend, didn't seem to fix it. My pulley seems to be original to the car as well but shows no wobble or play. Did an oil change as well as transaxle change with Toyota ATF WS, no change in behavior. It baffles me. I don't believe there are any kind of clutch plates involved in this cars driveline are there? Like a glazed plate that is slipping on engagement or something?

    I appreciate anyone that takes the time to read over this, you are not alone OP, my car has been driving me crazy for about 7-8 months with this seemingly same issue. The car is a tank, and this thing doesn't seem to bother it but I know something is wrong and I can't help but think it won't just resolve itself and get better, only get worse.
     
  8. marl0nbrand0

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    Same issue here! Just like VOXul describes it for his Prius.

    Mine is a new-to-me 14 Prius C with 87k. Awful and hard to miss, split second intermittent grinding noise under mostly certain acceleration conditions. Usually when under the load of an incline or lost momentum but also under some ICE start-up conditions while parked but way more subdued. It's as if the synergy drive doesn't like a certain RPM range, a position on the eCVT or the way it engages ICE power from a stop or slow speeds.

    Been a few weeks since I noticed this after having DIY installed a cat shield. Eventually I had a chance to take a look underneath again just to ensure everything looked OK and found no excessively loose heat shields or shrouds. Grinding noise is usually worse in the cold mornings but other than that car runs fine. If I modulate the accelerator gently or drive with maintaining forward momentum I can usually control the grinding noise from happening.

    I will be taking it for an inspection at a Prius specialist shop next week in hopes he can diagnose it properly. I'll post a follow-up.
     
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    Still waiting for the follow-up
     
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    what would a 'usual grinding noise' sound like?
     
  11. VOXul

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    Hello marl0nbrand0!

    Just thought I would reach out and see if you had any discoveries on your grind/rattle adventure yet? I am still running into the issue on my 04, almost seems like it is happening more often but the car drives normal otherwise. Still hoping it may be due to the ICE water pump but have also read some threads and watched some videos in regards to the damper plate between the ICE and MG1 throwing/blowing up their springs due to plastic retaining clips failing... that is a big one if so. I wouldn't think it would involve that clutch/damper plate though as I would expect the noise to happen every time the ICE and MG1 sync up with the help of that damper, not seemingly based on temperatures as this issues seems to rely on.
     
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    As in the other thread where you posted, a fairly common and simple cause of a 'grinding' noise during acceleration is contact between the exhaust system and some other item (like one of the stock heat shields, or an aftermarket cat shield).

    A problem with the transaxle input damper would be a pretty exotic one to have. Sometimes people seem to gravitate toward assuming a problem is something exotic. Me, I'm never disappointed if my problem turns out to be easy.

    If you're determined to worry about the damper springs, I think there is a handhole plug in the bellhousing cover plate, and you can reach in (when everything is powered off!) and down and feel for any spring bits.