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Of course if you're truly loyal to Toyota this isn't a success, just a recipe with no kitchen, no chefs and no way to prove your loyalty to all cars eventually being powered by hydrogen. There's no reason to invest in electric cars. They have no future because Toyota says so!

 

Some are working on a SAE (240v Side) plug (we used to call it the Franken plug) adapters - to work on CHAdeMO & the other,Tesla plugs.
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Does it say?
TOYOTA NEWS #103｜"The customer will choose": Vehicle electrification strategy for decarbonation - Selections from Toyota's 1H/2Q financial results Q&A session

"As a full line-up manufacturer, we invest a lot in FCEV and BEV, and while waiting for those, HEVs are the most effective, then PHEV will come next."

 

I guess. If the Chinese forcing Toyota to build BEV's or get kicked out of of china (as an alternative) - the world's largest car market, a kind of arm-twisting, yeah, I guess Toyota does invest in BEVs .

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Toyota will be able to enter the BEV market outside of China when they finally see reality, but they have and will have further lost many loyal customers by then. Would have been better to have done this already, even with no current BEV profit margins, to keep a halo to use in the future.

Surprised to see CHAdeMO still growing that strong, let alone growing. Good news for our Leaf.

 

As the link quotes: "Based on our new efforts with software called “Arene” at TRI-AD, we are already proceeding to take a “software-first” approach to vehicle development."

As in closing the barn door after the horses get out in terms of loss valuation compared to Tesla... And that type of talk is a distraction that's in denial of cost to retool all their factories to produce far fewer parts per vehicle once fossil fuel engines are no longer available to buy as soon as 2030 if the Zero Emission Transportation Association (ZETA) lobbying effort succeeds.

Meanwhile Toyota's strategy in a Hydrogen future is incredibly inefficient system compared to batteries and as Elon Musk calls this level of inefficiency "mind-bogglingly stupid."

Toyota's response to tens of thousands of pre-orders by all kinds of new electric cars companies once it runs it's course reminds me of Detroit failing to respond fast enough with economy cars during the 1970's when the oil crisis took hold and Japanese auto makers buried them and Detroit began looking at no future until it was time to play catch up with poorly competing 1980 economy cars like:

"Who can forget that icon of the 80s, the "K-Car"? This nickname stems from its platform design called the K-body, much like General Motors F-type. The K-body platform was used for a variety of titled cars including the Dodge Aries, the more produced/abundant Plymouth Reliant, Chrysler LeBaron, Chrysler Town & Country. ...the GM line included the Buick Skyhawk, Cadillac Cimarron, Chevrolet Cavalier, Oldsmobile Firenza, and Pontiac Sunbird."

 

The cost of including a CHAdeMO plug with CCS is small compared to the cost of the charger.
With only the Japanese brands using CHAdeMO in the US, I wouldn't count CHAdeMO growth in the future. How many models have it, two?

 

Sounds about right. Seems like a lost cause in the U.S.. Would expect next generation of current U.S. CHAdeMO equipped vehicles to go to CCS, if they even continue those models.

 

The Leaf and the Outlander PHEV are the only two models I'm aware of. Well, the Mirai might have a CHAdeMO outlet in the trunk for supplying power.

 

Mr. Musk talked about inefficiency, and time has shown us that sometimes he's not right at all.

Toyota strategy is both FCV and BEV, these powertrains share a lot of components, don't you agree?​

 

that's all fine & good, but it doesn't compensate for hydrogen's mind-bogglingly high cost nor its hit in efficiency, nor does it address its unattainable Nationwide infrastructure, nor does it eliminate the fossil-fuel / non-renewables they currently use to reform hydrogen ...
Other than that ... yeah, similar.

doesn't the Franklin Tennessee Tesla store sell cars there anymore? Seems like that drive is a mere 150 hundred ish miles away.

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Our UK neighbours plan in nationwide infrastructure for charging...
UK steps up plan for EV transition, new gasoline cars banned from 2035

The government said it would invest 1.3 billion pounds (about $1.7 billion at current exchange rates) in charging infrastructure.

Also the BEVs come to a cost.

Remember also that all new hydrogen plants for reforming in Europe are not allowed anymore, those will be renewable energy sourced.

 

reforming via electrolysis (presuming clean electricity fuel sources) takes 4X as much energy as coal or natural gas, so that will keep the cost of hydrogen fuel astronomically High - even compared to a Hybrid gasoline burner. Law of thermodynamics you can't get more energy out than what you put in. Toyota was going to use nuke generated electricity, where you actually CAN have excess electricity. But after, manufacturers started trying to mass Assemble hydrogen fuel cell cars - Fukushima happwned, so - scrapping nuke power, they are now left with brown coal from Australia to steam reform.
Never mind we are living in a crushed economy where people have less & less discretionary money to even purchase medium priced car.
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Toyota's strategy for BEVs was short range city cars like their iQ EV. Even the new Lexus BEV's range is at the short end.

That's a barigin compared to hydrogen infrastructure. The 1.3 billion might cover a thousand hydrogen stations, without including the cost of new green hydrogen production.

Compared to natural gas pipelines, hydrogen ones can cost 68% more, because of the required steel. A group has developed a relatively efficient way of stripping hydrogen from ammonia. Which is a lot easier to transport, and the group is moving on to green energy production. This solves the issue of getting hydrogen to stations, but at the cost of more energy loss.

We will need green hydrogen for fertilizer, steel making, and other industrial purposes where grey hydrogen is already in demand. For those uses, green hydrogen production can be sourced nearby or onsite. In order for green hydrogen to be cost competitive, those users may have to build the hydrogen plant and renewable themselves, and sell electricity during peak demand to pay off the investment. But my point is that building green hydrogen doesn't mean we have to build hydrogen cars.

Modern 'electrolysis' plants will use what are basically reverse running fuel cells, so the energy balance is better. A plant integrated with the renewable energy production could have prices competitive with steam reformed hydrogen. Which is great news for replacing grey with green in the uses we already have for hydrogen.

The case for expanding for the use of hydrogen outside of those is still weak. Batteries are already cheaper for many uses. It might work out in some cases for grid storage. A group in Utah might start a project where they can use natural geology to store the hydrogen, and it might be better for long term grid support in locations where renewable electricity production can be diminished for months, like tropical areas with monsoon seasons.

Hydrogen might make sense over batteries for commercial transport, but we also have other options for fuels there; ammonia, ethanol, methanol, efuels, etc.

 

Electrolyser efficiency vs coal/NG?

Hydrogen made by the electrolysis of water is now cost-competitive and gives us another building block for the low-carbon economy | Carbon Commentary