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TPMS Replacement

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by HKz, May 2, 2024.

  1. HKz

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    Hi folks,

    A few months ago, my wife inadvertently drove on a really bad front passenger's side flat while coming home from work. When I went out there, it was basically sitting on the rim! Luckily I had an extra tire in the exact size, had a local tire shop swap it out and surprisingly the TPMS sensor seemed to continue to work fine.

    Well lo and behold, this past week, we got the blinking tire pressure icon on start up which I read on here is indicative of a failed TPMS sensor. Took it to Discount Tire who confirmed that the sensor was not responding but since the tire I gave the Prius is too old, they refused to replace the sensor lol.. so I just brought it back to the local tire shop who replaced that sensor then told me to press the tire pressure button below the dash which caused it to blink a few times then go back solid. He told me to drive it for a few miles and it should turn off eventually. So far since driving it back home it hasn't turned off but admittedly it was a pretty short drive back.

    I've read it can take several miles or 20 minutes of driving before it recognizes everything to shut off the icon, is this true?
     
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    It's needs to be programed into the computer....
    It doesn't know the number so it won't see it.
    I believe autozone can do it...

     
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    Well the local tire shop that just installed it said they got it programmed.

    If driving more later today doesn't work, I'll give autozone a try before going back to that tire shop.
     
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    The definition of programmed is the issue. Toyota and compatible TPMS sensors are pre-programmed with a unique serial number. There are programmable sensors but they are more expensive and require a vendor specific tool.

    Id3 & 4 Sensors pic.jpeg

    Next, newer Toyotas can automatically read installed sensors and set the car’s computer automatically. My 22 Rav4 hybrid can do that. My 2012 Gen3 can not.

    So a gen3 requires Techstream or a compatible TPMS tool to write the new sensor’s unique id / serial number into the car’s computer. To do this you need the serial number that was written on the new sensor. Typically you write down that number before installing the sensor.

    prius tpms 2023-09-18.jpeg

    Finally some TPMS tools can read an installed sensor id (serial number) using rf scanning. Then you connect the tool to the obd2 port and write the number.

    At that point driving the car will make the light go off.

    If Autozone can’t do it, a decent tire store can. All scanners or TPMS tools can not read installed sensors and then write the data to the car.
     
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    ok but like I said, it was indeed a tire store that just replaced it and told me he just programmed it.

    I guess I just need to drive longer and if it doesn't work, I'll go to autozone or back to the tire shop..
     
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    It literally takes 1/4 mile over 20 mph to turn on the sensor. These sensors go into a sleep mode everytime you stop the car for a few minutes to conserve their battery. They will activate when not moving if there is a large pressure drop. Once moving they are constantly updating pressure and tire temperature
     
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    People have the weirdest ideas about what that button does. It's just there for telling the car what tire pressures you like. You inflate the tires to the pressures you want, and press the button, and the car remembers those pressures. You don't ever have to press it again unless you change your mind about what pressures you like.

    Seems like most people who ever press that button are hoping for it to do something it doesn't.
     
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    When replacing Gen 3 TPMS sensors, a relearn process is required to input sensor ID into the computer.

    So either the tire shop installed the wrong sensor, or they didn't do the relearn process...


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    You should take it back to the place that "programed" it and tell them it's not working.
    Make them earn the money you paid to have them do it. Or return your money.
     
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    No doubt I will be if it doesn't go away, just first making sure I check all the boxes before I return as the mechanic did mention it takes a couple miles and as @rjparker mentioned, it can take 20 mins for the sensor to kick on...still seems strange to me to deliver it with the light still on...I can't imagine a Toyota dealer would've returned it that way to me for the same job unless perhaps this is standard? I don't remember this being the case when I replaced the sensors on our '04 RAV4 several years ago.. So perhaps shop was incompetent here, especially if what @ChapmanF is suggesting that we didn't need to touch the button.
     
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    Pressing and holding the button resets the computer to what the tire pressures are at.
    From what I read, once it's programed, correctly, You won't have the flashing tire pressure light,
    after the correct information is set.
    When the tires are cold, set them to your desired pressure. 36psi for example.
    See this video:


    It could be he did it correctly, but maybe one of your tires is low.

     
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    20 mph (miles per hour) not minutes. Initial flashing means one or more sensors are not working or are not setup.

    Solid with no initial flashings means low pressure.

    The key point is newer cars are more automatic but not your 2011.
     
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    yes I thought of that and I checked all the other tires, they are all good now..

    just to be clear, it doesn't blink anymore like it used to before we changed out the sensor and currently the tire pressure light just stays on solid from the start
     
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    Then do the button. Make sure you are pressing it, it is buried under the dash.

    With car off, go to On state - 2 presses of Start button without Brake. Not Ready or Accessory.

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    All in owners manual.

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    The button is there for telling the car what tire pressures you prefer. It makes sense to press the button if you have changed your mind about what pressures you prefer.

    It works by remembering what pressures are in the tires at the time you press it. So another time it can make sense to press the button is if you suspect somebody else pressed it at a time when the tire pressures weren't what you prefer, so now it thinks you want some other pressures. You can use it to restore the setting to the pressures you prefer.

    Changing a tire transmitter doesn't change what the system remembers for your preferred pressures. It remembers just fine. The preference is remembered in the ECU, not in the transmitters.

    Changing a transmitter does mean you need to tell the ECU the ID number of the new transmitter. That's the "programming" that's required. It has nothing to do with the remembered preferred pressures, or with the button.

    The original transmitters have ID numbers that are permanent, so when you replace one, you have to tell the ECU the ID number of the new one. Some aftermarket transmitters have ID numbers that can be changed (with a different kind of tool), so a shop using that kind of transmitter might just change the new one's ID number to match the old one, and then the ECU doesn't need to be told anything, and doesn't notice anything different.

    If the warning light is on, you can ask the car why, and post that information here. Here's a way to do that:

    Blink (a/k/a Flash) Codes – How to. | PriusChat
     
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    So conclusion...


    Drove it around, didn't do anything. Then went to autozone, they told me they don't do it, so I went back to the tire shop..

    Annoyingly same guy was there. First he claimed he did everything right and that there must be something wrong with one of my other sensors. I said there was no way the other sensors are now coincidentally creating this new problem of the solid tire pressure light, I told him there must have been an issue with his scan tool otherwise. He tells me ok he will check it out and show me what he encountered before. He asked to confirm if it was a 2012 to which I corrected him on it being 2011..his face made it appear like he realized part of his mistake from the morning if the year makes any difference in their scan tools. Interestingly, he brought out a different scan tool to plug into the obd2 port that I don't recall him using in the morning..

    In the end he got it fixed and told me the issue was because he mistakenly did not properly calibrate his tool to recognize the spare doesn't have a sensor. He showed me his scanner which displayed a red X at the back of the car. I don't recall how it looked this morning when he showed me the tool. Not sure if he was just covering a fail on his end or what but hopefully this helps someone out there in the same situation!
     
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    They can be pretty hard to activate for the first time. I have the activator tool which is an electromagnet and sometimes it takes a sledgehammer whapping at the tire. Super hard it takes two people. It's a real project sometimes to get these things to switch on for the first time
     
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    You can set it for 5 sensors instead of 4 but that should have caused the flashing followed by solid indicator when one was missing.
     
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    Yep that's exactly what I was thinking when he was explaining why it works now but whatever, wasnt gonna argue with him, now I know to try and avoid the shop in the future.. meh when the next sensor goes out, I am buying my own scanner, techstream and bead breaker...so hard to find people who really give a rat's a$$ about your car..
     
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    He didn't want to admit he made a mistake. It would have been much easier if
    he had and you'd feel better about them because they were honest with you.
    Everyone makes mistakes. I don't believe there is a difference between the
    2011 and 2012 for this. Maybe he just didn't use the correct tool, or knew how
    to use it. He should have asked you if the spare had a sensor when he got
    the error, then he could have adjusted the tool.

    And he is correct in saying that "maybe" another is going bad. Usually, but not
    always, if one goes out, the others will soon follow.
    At least they got it working for you.

     
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