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    GM backs out of deal with LG for an LG plant that was going to make Ultium cells for GM and Toyota has stepped in and made a deal with LG to keep the plant going and provide Toyota with cells instead.

    Get ready for your Ultium powered Toyotas folks!
     
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    The GMs quickly changed their tune. Dec. 4, 2024

    General Motors is revamping its EV battery technology partnership with LG Energy Solution to incorporate a new battery-cell arrangement – prismatic cells, for which GM noted its partner has both experience in manufacturing and numerous patents covering battery design, manufacturing technologies, and packaging.

    The partners’ plans for manufacturing the prismatic cells were not announced.

    Prismatic cells use lithium-ion chemistry, in contrast to the nickel-cobalt-manganese-aluminum chemistry that is the basis for the Ultium battery cells the GM-LG partnership manufactures at two plants, in Ohio and Tennessee.

    GM, LG Pursuing New EV Battery Format | General Motors | American Machinist
     
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    A nickel cobalt manganese aluminum chemistry sounds like a mix or variant of nickel manganese cobalt oxide and nickel cobalt aluminum oxide chemistries which are different types of lithium-ion chemistries.

    And Prismatic is the cell shape and manufacturer process, and doesn't change the chemistry.
     
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    Nickel cobalt manganese aluminum?
    Essentially, this is a technology for producing a cathode with high energy density.
    Li[Ni 0,89 Co 0,05 Mn 0,05 Al 0,01 ]O 2
    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/MA2019-02/5/307
     
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    Li-ion refers to any lithium based chemistry. Lithium iron phosphate(LFP) is Li-ion. The higher energy density chemistries available are mostly a nickel and cobalt (NC) mix with manganese(M) or aluminum(A). There is constant research into improving that blend for performance and/or cost.

    The prismatic format has a hard shell like round cells, but is in rectangular shape.
     
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    GM is backing off battery production because of sales projections, which has been reinforced by the current admin.
    they have enough to pick it up if necessary, but the focus will be on gassers and profits for the near future.
    toyota has no intention to enter the bev market in a meaningful way for the foreseeable future, at least outside of china, and will use most of their battery supply for hybrids and plugin hybrids.

    the LG deal won't impact much of anything.
     
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    much of anything besides LG and Toyota.
    Wish LG still made phones, I've got a V20 still works, a V35 my dialy driver and the misses has a V60 with the full sized second screen, I found for a song and dance two years ago. Only has Android 13, such a bummer, no more upgrades into AI heaven, unless Google slip-streans it in there.
     
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    They need those batteries to run their hydrogen fuel stations.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    They are all lithium-ion. NCA, NMC, LFP, etc. only refer to the cathode active material.

    Not sure why LG is using NCA (if the report is correct). NMC is a better cathode.

    This will be the first time Toyota will use pouch cells. They normally use prismatic cells. In any case, the cell format has nothing to do with the cathode active material.
     
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    More likely, they have now realized that they cannot hold onto their engines for too long.
     
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    Ya, me too to a degree. My first mobile device was an LG, but I was not happy with how short of a period of time it took to become outdated. Then again, Android Honeycomb was among those early days things were progressing every day leaving lots of stuff outdated.

    However, my second LG device, the LG G3, was a great little phone. I traded it for the Pixel I have now when the motherboard went out about 5 years ago.
     
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    One more time Bob ! broken record - DUMB - how gov works . got anything new?
     
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    A pixel ? 3? 4? What version did G3 run? V20 is version 8, I don't keep track of code names all that well, but 8 is Oreo if that helps any? Marshmellow, Ginerbread ? Hello :notworthy:
     
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