Featured "The most dumb thing" for energy storage: Hydrogen

Could have just attached that video to the existing thread just a few days old

Hydrogen Fuel Cell's Dark Side(s) | Page 4 | PriusChat

otherwise - kinda sorta


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Hydrogen is hard...

 

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Ship it to Daytona so it can be the pace car.

Bob Wilson

 

It always felt kind of gaseous to me. You can get it cold enough to turn into a liquid, but I don't think you'd want to touch it. I'm sure there is solid hydrogen somewhere in this universe, but I can't comment on it's hardness as I've never come across it.

Jokes aside, so is everything else any more. Chances of ever owning a house: 0% Chances of ever being able to retire: 0%. At this rate, it might be more probably for a guy to end up driving a hydrogen car some day than to just live a normal life.

 

I've speculated that the out-venting hydrogen could feed a fuel cell to run a hydrogen refrigeration unit. So some of the out-venting could be liquified and reduce the loss.

Bob Wilson

 

Price per kilowatt-hour of Hydrogen is in the $200-$400 range
Price per kilowatt-hour of Lithium is still barely under the $150 range

As things progress it seems to me that the advancement in sodium-ion in China and the promise that they can bring the price down to $40 per kilowatt-hour from the current $88ish range tells me sodium-ion is going to destroy anyone who's investing big long term money in both hydrogen and lithium.

They won't be able to compete with those prices: The Battery That China Is Hiding from the World: It Uses This Strange Material and Could Destroy Our Industry

 

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If you had a link I could click on I'd be more willing to believe your claim...

 

Na-ion is getting close to LFP in terms of energy density, and the lower costs will mean more affordable EVs. The lithium chemistries with nickel and cobalt will still be used in the long range and performance EVs.