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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Source: CaFCP: 1,000 H2 stations enabling 1M fuel cell electric vehicles on California roads in 2030 - Green Car Congress

    The California Fuel Cell Partnership (CaFCP) released its 2030 vision for California, The California Fuel Cell Revolution. The vision document describes a self-sustaining market in 2030 for fuel cell electric vehicles and renewably hydrogen, and the strategic priorities necessary for realizing it.

    The CaFCP document envisions 1,000 hydrogen stations enabling upwards of 1,000,000 fuel electric vehicles on California roads in 2030. The vision document also explores the synergies between light-duty and heavy-duty fueling infrastructure, the opportunities for renewable hydrogen and the role of hydrogen in the increasingly renewable electrical grid.
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    A vision of the future where it will remain, always.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    In 50 years it will probably be just as dated. I'd still rather have a nuclear powered modular car than a hydrogen fuel cell.

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    i would like to see one scientific paper showing the viability of making hydrogen vs electricity.

    i don't understand california's position on 'letting the market decide'.

    if it was up to the market, everyone would still be driving gassers.
     
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    *i don't understand california's position on 'letting the market decide'.
    if it was up to the market, everyone would still be driving gassers."

    OK CARB should say- let the mandated/subsidized market decide.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    While deciding who gets what level of incentives.
     
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    maybe .... that is - if one presumes oil Co incentives will continue

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    California taxes the bejesus out of gasoline...it's hard to say with a straight face that gaso is subsidized when is it super-heavily-taxed, regarless of any historic tax treatment of the industry.
     
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    The oil companies don’t pay the tax, so why would they care?
    Instead they get pollution wavers on oil refineries in the bay area and tax refunds along with grants and other kickbacks.

    I would love to see even a small supply side tax on crude, will never happen but would be worth it
     
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    tax treatment at the pump, versus tax treatment at the corporate level, where oilies are incentivised through lower taxes - its 2 different creatures.

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    Inside the Tax Bill's $25 Billion Oil Company Bonanza - Pacific Standard
    Not trying to say this is any particular party's approach, because the oily lobby benefits both sides.
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    So how much does Apple Google etc save with TCJA? Or were they already not paying much tax?
     
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    my fault - i didn't mean to focus on the newest / latest / greatest oily free ride, as it does benefit others. Should have posted a link to the historic & never ending oil industry hall pass.
    A Brief History of Big Tax Breaks for Oil Companies – Mother Jones
    Hydrogen should automatically raise the oil company red flag, as this is the main way it gets reformed - all the while making it look like you're driving an electric vehicle .... albeit way less efficient & more costly - in multiple ways.
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