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The futility of the Prius and the end of the world as we know it

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  1. shikataganai

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    I sold my only car back in 2008 after having an epiphany that our western way of life is unsustainable. Recently, I've come to a more gradual realization that my reaction to it is futile. Here's how it all came to pass:

    The Epiphany

    Although I'd read this and that regarding the energy use and petroleum dependence of our way of living for many years I can still pinpoint the exact moment when it sunk in: I was on an "express" bus in the fall of 2007 making its way very slowly up the crowded I-5 HOV lanes on the way up north to see my then-fiancée. The sight of so many people sitting sightless in their near-stationary cars perched atop an artificial desert of concrete, just waiting for the car ahead of them to inch forward so that they could mindlessly do so as well, made things click. It seemed absurd all of a sudden to contemplate how much energy and sheer effort it took to change the wooded landscape to that just so that we could coop ourselves up in a 3,500 lb padded private box on our way home. What is progress good for if our lives are spent this way?

    The Reaction

    I basically didn't drive after this realization. I'd never commuted by car even before this point due to (deliberately) exorbitant parking fees at my workplace, so commuting in by bicycle was no change in my habits. I did cut out all pleasure driving, however, and did my errands by foot, bicycle, or bus--nothing like coming back from Costco via two buses when a car is parked in one's driveway, just out of sheer obstinance… Autocross, long one of my passions--what young man doesn't secretly want to be a racecar driver?--lost its allure once I looked at it coldly and analytically, so I sold my extra wheels and race tires and put my math-nerd number vinyl number plate (#1729) in a dark corner of the garage. Eventually, I sold the car itself: I didn't drive it any more besides moving it in and out of the driveway at my roommates' request, I didn't enjoy driving it because of my environmental guilt, and the money tied up in it would be more useful for paying for an engagement ring and an then-upcoming cross-country move. In order to get around sans car given my weird hours as a physician (as in getting to the hospital before the buses are even running), I built an electric bicycle, comfortable with the "unnatural" electric assistance with the knowledge that its lithium battery pack is probably more efficient than my own metabolism.

    The Green Life, Long Island-style

    Fast forward a year or three and my wife and I are living the "green life" as best as we can in suburban New York. Our electricity consumption is a third of the national average; we keep our programmable thermostat quite low indeed and have added insulation to our rented house; we bring reusable bags to the grocery; and we recycle as best as we can. Finally, of course, we drive efficient vehicles: a Prius (46 mpg combined), a Fit (30 mpg combined), or a medium-sized motorcycle (~40-45 mpg observed but with higher smog-forming emissions than either of the two cars). Although gas isn't cheap here, we don't live so close to the financial edge that $5 or even $10/gallon gas would bankrupt us, so our motivation isn't merely financial: We really feel that it's the right thing to do, as our western-lifestyle world's demand for oil can be implicated in so much strife and bloodshed and leads to the enrichment of some truly unsavory characters in the Middle East.

    The Realization of Futility

    All this up to this point has been my reaction to my epiphany, however. As I stated up front, I've now gradually realized that what we are doing is futile. Inspirational slogans on Seattle bus shelters aside, the actions of an individual, one small family, or even a small similarly-minded minority of people (let's call us "people who like Stuff White People Like"), are not enough to change the world. What is required is that the incentives align themselves differently: much as our current mess in medicine is because the payment model provides incentives to do more procedures and charge more fees rather than to practice low-cost medicine and substitute judgment and thought for waste, our current worldwide system of incentives rewards copious consumption of the cheapest (and dirtiest) forms of energy.

    Given that the US, Russia, and China "own" the three largest reserves of coal in the whole world and we, de facto, control or at least buy influence and access to the Middle East's vast oil fields, it's pretty much guaranteed that the taps to these dirty forms of energy won't turn off until the last mote has truly been extracted from the ground. Furthermore, given the tremendous energy demands posed by China's surging economy, which may well be followed in 20 years by an Indian surge should they figure out how to stamp out their endemic corruption, there will be every incentive imaginable to the world's coal miners and well drillers to extract the black gold in order to spin up the compressors of air conditioners and refrigerators throughout the newly-westernized world.

    What use, then, are incremental steps such as that embodied by the Prius and our "green lifestyle"? A car that gets 50% better fuel economy than its competitors yet still runs on gasoline may forestall the world running out of oil from the year 2090 to 2095, but that doesn't really change anything at all. Even electric cars aren't the answer: Although they may allow for an additional, say, 50% reduction in CO2 emission per mile driven compared to a Prius under ideal circumstances, the electricity generating capacity that they require is still fundamentally tied to oil and coal and will be for the foreseeable future due to simple economics.

    Basically, these cars (and all the related energy-efficiency jazz: CFL lightbulbs, Energy Star this and that) are all small incremental steps, and will only forestall the inevitable. They do offer an economic benefit if energy prices are very high, but we haven't reached that point on the supply and demand curve, and the political reality in the US and especially the still-developing world will prevent any kind of high carbon tax from being enacted. Until we actually do start to run out of these supplies, which probably will not be within my lifetime, their existence merely serves to assuage the guilty conscience of the collective white world.

    Beyond Thunderdome

    When we do run out--and we will run out, it's just a matter of whether it's in my lifetime or that of my descendants--is when the true changes will be made. When gasoline becomes so scarce that we can't buy it at any cost, no matter how much military muscle we possess, is when our lifestyle will truly change and we'll see the concrete jungle that we've constructed--concrete having a very high CO2 cost--crumble. A nation that has built up its hydroelectric, wind, and solar power generation capabilities back in the (current and mid-term future) era when power was cheap will prosper if they can protect themselves from military bullies, but much if not most of the world will not be ready for this new world order. Chaos will ensue, and lives will get a whole lot simpler, for better or, likely, worse.

    I used to think that the scientific evidence showing our effects on the global climate would be enough to convince the population and its politicians that an energy tax would be necessary, and that this energy tax might slow down our rate of energy consumption to a sustainable level. I now believe that achieving the political and inter-nation consensus to make this happen is impossible, and that we as a world will draw down our fossil fluids at an ever-increasing rate until they're simply gone. Therefore preparing for some utopian near-term world where the incentives are changed to reward energy efficiency, as I have so madly done (and as embodied by the image of the Prius), is pointless. There's no point being a martyr to a cause if the world is literally stacked against oneself. Instead I think it makes sense to party while Rome burns, to take advantage of our low energy prices that do not account for the externalities such as climate change, and to enjoy the fruits of our petroleum-derived society while it's still around to enjoy.

    Of course, it might also not be a bad idea to build an underground bunker with an electric car, water purification setup, and enough solar panels to be self-sustaining. 100 years from now my great-grandchildren may well be able to live like a king (a sheikh, even) if they have such equipment for their use when Mad Max roams the barren earth above…
     
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    Wow. You have given that some thought.
     
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    What is this? I just wanted to talk about Priuses!!!!

    jk thanks.
     
  4. mikewithaprius

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    I am with you on so much of that...until the futility conclusion. Congratulations on the green living, it is wholly admirable. People like you, even though you think it futile, inspire me to try to do the same.
     
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    i've been saying this for years, in fewer words. what's the difference if we run out in 20 years or 200 years? course, i havn't fallen off the green wagon yet, but i understand your point.
     
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    I still love our 2006 Prius, by the way, apart from its pesky intermittent HID headlight (yes, just one, as the other works fine consistently). I just have no false notions that anything short of a fundamental change in our collective way of life will have a big enough impact. Substituting a 50% more efficient car in our western life is still grossly unsustainable.
     
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    Cormac McCarthy is that you?

    Bravo, well written piece. I'd say your decisions and commitment are personally laudable. But beware of epiphany filled visions, they have lead many a man astray.

    At some point? I think you have to take a deep breath and allow yourself to be imperfect, and allow the world around you to be imperfect. What the future will become, while as a world wide dominating species is greatly under our influence, as individuals? Prediction becomes folly.

    I applaud your obvious commitment and the choices you have made. But the opposite epiphany is that your individual decision to live green as best you can, is almost as futile from a world POV as any lifestyle you would embrace.

    If we are heading towards Master Blaster and Thunderdome? Then the harsh truth is eat, drink and be merry because tomorrow we die...

    I embrace efficiency to a degree of admiration for Prius and the current choice of driving a Fit not because I think the world is heading to an inevitable bleak end of society and culture as we know it, but because I have optimistic belief that mankind is as capable of great things in terms of creativity and creation as it is horrific and destructive things.

    Oddly I think if I had your epiphany I'd probably sell the Fit, by a Hummer and head for the Playboy Mansion...

    Yes, say it all,- Joni Mitchell? We have paved paradise and put up a parking lot...but we also have stood on the moon, gazed out at the stars, learned to fly, and created things of great wonder.

    Continue to embrace a "green lifestyle" or as you say, "party like rome is burning"...how about a middle ground? Tempered with shades of optimism about the potential of mankind?

    I think, I'll keep my Fit...someday buy a Prius..not expect that my decisions in this matter are going to transform the future..but I certainly don't want to foster the negativity that the best future for my descendants will be an underground bunker and a water purification set up...

    Seems to me if we want to avoid that ultimate outcome, part of the first step is fostering a belief we can do a lot better...even if it seems unlikely...

    Keep living Green and Dream even Greener.
     
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    Your right about the challenges, wrong about the futility. Here is why my viewpoint is a little more optimistic.

    I was convenced that modern day fishing technology would eventually result in the elimination of all big fish in the oceans. Back in the 1970, there was nothing on the horizon to prevent the most aggressive countries from catching everything in the ocean. There indeed has been total destruction of some fisheries, such as the Northwest Cod around 1992. That was a joint effort of Canada and the US fishermen to fish those to permanent elimination. Yet now the tide is turning. Just recently, Japan's whale hunting fleet has returned with less than a fifth of their quota due to intense pressure.

    Japan recalls whaling fleet from Antarctic | Environment | The Guardian

    The first key is public education. The second key is very good science, monitoring, and developing knowledge of the stock. The third key is effective regulation. They all take time to develop, but they are all underway throughout the world. Long, long way to go. But the ocean apocalypse I expected has kept slipping farther and farther into the future.

    The effort to replace extravagant lifestyles with efficient lifestyles is just starting. The education phase is underway. The science and engineering phases for sustainable approaches to living is starting. Keep up the good efforts, they will pay off since others are watching and learning.
     
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    Well thoughtout and written!
     
  10. shikataganai

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    If you really want to trace my thoughts on similar issues over the years read these in sequence (links are to my blog--this post above is a vB-formatted version of a blog post by yours truly). Relevant quotes from each to this topic showing the progression of my thoughts are included here. Note that I learned to capitalize somewhere in the middle of all of this ;)

    Dec 29, 2007: life as a series of linear equations
    April 6, 2008: no more racing, no more RX-8
    May 23, 2008: carless
    December 21, 2008: a grab bag of thoughts
    January 10, 2009: on planning for the future
    April 29, 2009: do electric vehicles make environmental sense?
    April 22, 2010: Earth Day
    August 7, 2010: Specific Climate Impact of Passenger and Freight Transport
    August 22, 2010: Argonne PHEV and BEV well-to-wheels energy use analysis
    Finally, we have this post, The futility of the Prius and the end of the world as we know it, which I published on Feb 21, 2011.
     
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    It looks bleak, but I'd offer as a counterbalance to the gravity of the situation the following ad that pops up on the bottom toolbar of your blog when I clicked on it.

    "Hot Chicks with Zelda Tattoos"

    Maybe everything will be alright after all.
     
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    shikataganai Junior Member

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    Ah, but this is exactly what I'm getting at when I write this:

    If we acknowledge that that's why we're doing all this then I'm ok with it, or at least neutral--again, I love my Prius as a complete package, not just for its "green" image. The delusion that it'll make a difference, that if everyone just shaped up and acted like us everything would be ok, is what I'm saying needs to go.
     
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    Stuff White People Like: #18: Awareness seems very apropos.

    Awareness (your "public education") isn't going to do a thing. The science is already there. The political consensus is what will be lacking until catastrophe is upon us. Do you really see an American congress passing a non-trivial carbon tax any time in the foreseeable future? I sure don't.
     
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    I have no false notions that this change can happen in a single leap.

    The Prius, the CFLs or LEDs, the Energy Star products, are just a few steps on a long journey. A journey that none of us could possibly complete today, because only a piece of path is even surveyed, let alone built. But we do know the direction, and have a coarse idea how fast we must progress.
     
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    What I'm calling awareness is knowledge and education. The shoddy post you reference uses the word awareness to actually mean rationalization.....two completely different things.

    I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but how else could I interpret being directed to that site? Am I "whitepeople"? Are you?

    You seem to be executing positive actions based on knowledge. Seems like something you would want to make others aware of (why post otherwise?). I certainly welcomed the initial post. What was wrong with my fishing example? If there is a flaw in it let me know. I posted it to reenforce your efforts to make a better world. Still think it applies & still want to support the steps your taking.

    All of it? Have we figured out how to provide all our transportation needs pollution free? I'll certainly agree that enough science is there to understand why actions are needed, but that was not what I was referring to in my post.

    Yet, when faced with the "awareness" of what the effects of Fluorocarbons were on the ozone layer, the whole world managed to develop and implement the Montreal Protocols. Now that extremely serious problem is on the slow road to recovery. We did not wait to catastrophe was upon us then.

    I have no hopes of a political carbon tax fixing the problem. I see too many ways it can be corrupted. If you look at my avatar, I see a much better path. Vastly better.
     
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    People are going through changes and waking up to a new level of intuition. My intuition screamed at me to take action. I voluntarily crushed my daily driver, took the plates off of my 500hp weekend Supra, bought a Prius in December, and am now cycling into town rain or shine. Huge changes for me. Can't wait to buy an EV.
     
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    With all the crap going on (endlessly) in the Middle East, good thing I put gas in my Prius just after New Year's. I've still got half a tank left. Maybe I should top it off?

    Anyway, I bought a house using this 'walk score' web site as a core resource. Plug the address off the MLS into it, see what the score is. I think my score should be better than what it says. It doesn't count being near a college or the contents of a large indoor mall that I can walk to towards places that I can conveniently walk to.
    Get Your Walk Score - A Walkability Score For Any Address

    I already worked at home, freelance. Now I live in a quiet neighborhood right near a Trader Joe's, and all the other major shopping. I'm also looking forward to buying an EV when my prius lease runs out. Or maybe a bit sooner, since Toyota has that handy 'conversion to sale' clause.

    My 'epiphany' was simpler. Peak Oil is here. It's masked by that economy that it keeps crashing, which kills demand, and makes the oil 'seem cheap'.

    Housing prices are VERY low. If you have the means, SHOP for a good location that you can walk to do your errands from. The 'burbs out there surrounded by nothing but more suburbs? That could all become ghetto.

    Move where the services and the population are, where it will be economical to deliver food and goods, and keep the doors to businesses open. That's where property values will remain somewhat stable. Take advantage of the lag in the real estate market, NOW and find an under-valued home close to everything, and lock in that low, fixed APR. You gotta put your money into SOMETHING. It may as well be a home that's livable.

    When the inflation comes, that mortgage will seem pretty damned cheap.
     
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    On the other hand, the world as we know it will be obliterated by the next big asteriod hit (or the sun becoming a red giant) so if we hurry this up by a few years is this a big problem? As long as we have have found a way off of the planet and somewhere else to go by then is it such a big issue? We can't stay here forever.
     
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    You're where I was circa 2008. Perhaps later you will come to see the futility of your actions as well. If nothing else, if you self-absolve your guilt then something's accomplished. :D
     
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    Read my OP again. I reference Stuff White People Like (.com) in the text. Note in particular what my link there points to. Hint: it's in the title of this site.