Tesla Kool-aide

there will always be detractors, they have their various reasons. this is priuschat after all, and there is no lack of prius detractors.

 

Another Musk gimmick! Anything to help fund his dreams.

 

I scored mine. It looks to be Anejo which is not my top choice.

Bob Wilson

 

Better than Patron?!

 

back when the 1st of the very worst of all EV's came out, the 2011 - 12 - 13 Nissan Leaf, one of the UK distilleries put out a leaf branded whiskey.

The Distillery was kind enough to send me the huge .jpg - so I could copy the label. No, they never followed up with a flamethrower. Nissan should have followed up with something more akin to the car, like a dummy grenade.

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Battery Acid in a Bottle

 

This release of tequila is to kill the pain of ownership for Tesla owners.

U.S. upgrades safety probe into nearly 159,000 Tesla vehicles

 

..... meanwhile, despite such detractors and poo poo artists, Musk just put 4 men into space. Anyone else here old enough to remember when Ford had an aerospace Department? Has any other Automotive head recently dreamed bigger - than just creating an entirely emissions free automobile company?
Not that we should ever deny the handful of detractors the privilege to continue to poo poo.
They would like to see United States still having to use Chinese or other country's Rockets to get to the space station, perhaps.
Maybe if a handful of detractors spent more time helping Toyota get off of Australian Brown coal - just to reform hydrogen (never mind the law of thermodynamics that you can never get as much energy out then what you put in, except for nukes) - for fuel cell car's ½ century long, costly taxpayer-funded experiment - the narrative could be switched to something more productive.
Even Toyota realized what a stupid fail it was, to run negative ads against the BEV.


They stopped their foolishness, at least in that regard. Maybe consider the wisdom Toyota learned, & become a little smarter .... like Toyota did.

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When I applied for work at gigafactory one just after it went online Musk said - and it may have been for my eyes only - don't know - don't care at this point - "When the robots revolt you don't want to be here"

I'm not a Tesla detractor by any means, nor Tesla saboteur either, and I tried to get my other half interested in keeping our 06 hybrid a few more years and get into a model 3.

On the other hand, today I'm glad I'm not part of the Tesla army of detractors of the hydrogen / fuel cell initiatives - whatever fuel cell / hydrogen research maturity is or is not.

Just seems rather odd to me how Tesla army complains about others bashing their dreams while Tesla people don't seem to understand perhaps that they do much the same to others, while promoting their desire to make Tesla the biggest company in the US and or world.

This so called world economy has some really beyond sad aggressive and ugly issues.
Seems it always has and as some / many might wish, it always will.

 

Love him or hate him, Elon Musk is an interesting chap.
True, his cars sometimes described as unreliable, but at least he made something happen.

Now, if he makes an electric Delorean C5, then we'll know he's cracked

 

I only had interest in Tesla when they were the only BEV with a decent range.

Hydrogen detraction started before Tesla. When I read about using hydrogen for cars in an Asimov column, I thought it sounded great. i also believed the long tail pipe argument against BEVs at that time. When I learned more about hydrogen, and what is needed to make it work for cars, I just don't see how it can be practical for that use. Yes, green hydrogen can get cheaper to make, but that doesn't address the energy losses needed to get it into cars, nor the huge infrastructure investment. Those two add more to the pump price of hydrogen in California than the hydrogen itself.

It is a hydrogen promoter here holding up Tesla as the enemy of FCEVs, and posting every negative bit on the company they can find. Tesla did get brought up before, but as an example of how far BEVs have come since their reintroduction, and what steps those companies that want to sell hydrogen cars could be taking to gain support. FCEV sales competitors aren't really BEVs, but ICE cars after all.

 

The irony is, almost all Bev owners would love to see hydrogen research continued, until the cows come home, until doomsday, in perpetuity. Just stop doing it on the taxpayer's back - if they truly believe in it. It's not a detractor against the tech, it's against the abusive lobbyists who keep us burdened with the expense.
On the other hand, the BEV Market growth is exploding - compared to the growth of hybrids - eating the lunch of several different manufacturers who don't have similar products. Understandably, a product sold with very little going on for it, can really respond no better than to take cheap shots with every tidbit that can be scraped up. The status quo Automotive Market did the same thing when the Prius came out. There were tons of people shelling out up big fueling money for their gas guzzlers & the automotive industry had no decent - true high-mileage car .... but for the Prius back in the early 2000s. Suddenly special interest groups were talking about Prius toxic nickel metal batteries, art spinella trying to spin a story that the Hummer was more efficient then the Prius Etc. Nothing new.
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I think the ads are still running.

 

That's the funny (and incorrect) thing. The only army is an army of one character named orenji. No one else active on these threads has been shilling other than he. The so called Tesla army of detractors does not exist here.

To name some of the more vocal and evidence-based active H2 detractors here:
-Trollbait never owned a Tesla and has no plans to do so
-one of hill's main rides is the Chrysler Pacifica Plug-in
-bwilson4web's other ride is a BMW i3
-iplug's other ride is a Nissan Leaf, and he had one before that

That's some list of Tesla zealots. The only common threads here of this non-army is an interest in discussion of green tech/transportation, its economics, efficiencies, public policy, etc.

 

I think that’s a compliment. Although the list of individuals you have named are absolutely anti Mirai / Hydrogen. Where as I am not against BEV - I just like to have options.

 

Eldon says " --- "
how many times do I have to read what eldon says? OK already... I hear ya. I just don't agree with the message being pushed and the way it's pushed here. Thanks for reading.

Tesla Tequila pic looks like it would make a cool looking hood ornament. thoughts?

 

There are far more posts showing the comparative energy losses of hydrogen fuel cells vs battery than mention of Elon’s quote.
I see the Elon quote more often from people arguing against it.

 

It's gotta be a mind set