... terrorist Hezbollah EV conspiracy?

I did and now I'm scared:

In 2002, David Colombo, a tech security specialist, hacked into 25 Teslas ​

Guess I'll have to pass on that eBay "2002 Tesla."

Bob Wilson

 

I wouldn't discredit the article because of a type-o.. There is a reference link with the story there...

A neighbor has some self driving Tesla, he goes to a store(Joined him at walmart when I saw myself) and uses his cell phone to have the car unpark and come pick him up.

Anything that can be remote driven, or firmware updated without authorization, you can't strictly trust... If something did hack into a BMS and set charge controller to 'unlimited' charge/voltage... you could start a fire nearly every time(if lithium anyway).

 

Why just EVs? I suspect most modern cars with available subscription services such as OnStar are equally vulnerable.

 

So the car comes to the front of the Walmart where there is no parking?

 

Yes, cause it's not 'parking' it is swooping in to pickup passengers waiting 'at the door/curb'. It links to the owners phone for positioning. It had lots of trouble with humans walking while it reversed out of it's parking spot, the human would stop to let the car go, but the car would be waiting for humans to go; and both kinda stalled... but it did work; eventually; once the humans got out of the way.

Unrelated, it also had some issues with at least 1 uncommon school zone.

 

It'll work a lot better once Skynet eliminates all the humans....

Any automation is vulnerable to hacking and/or sensor blinding - it just takes time and money. Then there are those people that defeat, bypass safety lock-outs on their tools and equipment. When they hurt themselves or others, they blame the tool or equipment.

Just saying....

 

love these conspiracy threads

 

i would never click on a link titled 'just the news', talk about hackers

 

I was loose with “parking” as I figure everyone knows what a red curb means. Next time I am at Walmart I’ll see if they are red. I think they are.

 

Aside from the fact that we can count the world's 2002 Tesla inventory on less than one finger, the linked article includes some detail:

"As Ars Technica reports, the 19-year-old Colombo posted a Twitter thread explaining how he can trigger a range of actions remotely, but there's a twist to this story. He didn't manage to hack Tesla's security to take control, in fact, there is no security vulnerability in play here. Colombo states "it's the owners faults" he has managed to gain access to their cars.

Because there is no vulnerability, Colombo decided to try and tell the owners directly, but he has no way of finding them. He's also not willing to publicly disclose how vehicle control was achieved for understandable reasons. The functionality he managed to unlock includes "disabling Sentry Mode, opening the doors/windows and even starting Keyless Driving." The hack doesn't allow Colombo to control the steering, acceleration, or breaking, but the "list is pretty long" of what's possible."

It seems JusttheNews added some up-scare.

 

Well this is a terrible state of affairs:

• Typing this note on a MacBook software updated this week.
• Texting my friends and family with an iPhone updated last week.
• Driving my Tesla software updated two weeks ago.
• Doing my banking with their software updated three weeks ago.

All you software luddites, renounce your modern computers, smart phones, car firmware, and banking. Unless you are part of the "white hat" security community, blathering about a threat you have no technical expertise is nonsense.

My working career:

• ~20 years network operations and engineering
• 1 year intrusion detection engineering
• ~30 years operating system programmer

If I've maligned anyone who attends and participates in the annual "White Hat Conference," please accept my apologies. Source:

• "Tesla hackers win $200k and Model 3 for finding new vulnerability"

There are real dodgy software out there. Between the key fob hack and "Hyundai and Kia thefts soar more than 1000% since 2020." Stupid is as stupid does but be accurate and cite source: Hyundai and Kia car thefts fall sharply after software upgrade, study finds - CBS News

"Hyundai and Kia car thefts fall sharply after software upgrade ..."​

Don't let the automatic door at the supermarket or shopping mall, maul you.

Bob Wilson

 

"Roughly two dozen 2011 through 2022 Hyundai and Kia models are eligible for the security software upgrade. Vehicles that received it as of December 2023 — a total of 30% of the eligible Hyundais and 28% of the eligible Kias in HLDI's database — had theft claim frequencies that were 53% lower than vehicles that didn't get the upgrade, the research found."

On our regular daily neighborhood walks last year, we encountered a newly-ex-Kia owner who just had his Kia upgraded and returned home late the previous afternoon, after sitting six weeks in the work queue on the dealership's lot.

In under 12 hours, it joined the (1 - 53%) = 47% stolen even with the upgrade. By the time we encountered him, chatting with multiple neighbors, he had already picked up rental wheels, later replaced by something permanent of another brand.

"Despite the fixes, theft claims for the affected Hyundai and Kia models continue to exceed industry norms, including for vehicles equipped with the upgraded software, according to HLDI. One reason could be that the software-based immobilizer only activates if the driver remembers to lock the vehicle with a fob, while many people are in the habit of using the switch on the door handle."

It sounds like the software-only fix isn't sufficient to bring them up to industry norms.

 

Your post is kinda contradictory.. You provide evidence the modern technology is inherently unsafe; and malign people for expressing that themselves as afraid of automatic doors...
There are of course exceptions to the rule.. Remote entry when hacked could surely use an update(I'd question if it needs to be automatic, as half the time such vulnerabilities are in a 'new'er update not in an old generation).
I'd say the biggest threats are government and or the large corporations themselves; Why I don't run anything that does automatic updates unless no-other choice(I understand most cell phone radio firmware updates automatically independent of OS, lord knows what Intel is doing https://archive.is/gaCwQ ).
Why am I reminded of...
Banks and payments hit as faulty CrowdStrike update causes global Microsoft outage


But there has been many over the years... (not as big as that).

---- Tangent

https://archive.is/PX3e3
https://archive.is/GkBeu
Made me wonder if that's how they 'got a warrant/run of' the son of the orange man attempted assassination #2(or was it 4 now(gas/car/ear)). https://archive.is/0arlT

 

... terrorist Hezbollah EV conspiracy?

Beware the grim beeper....

 

You're right. It was a moment of pique after skimming posts that I should have just passed. It recalled of my work career "in the trenches." I used to get paid for dealing with threats only to learn sometimes incompetence is too easily seen as malice.

Retired, I have a 2017 BWW i3-REx, three 2016 era JuiceBox 40 Pro, and a 2019 Tesla Model 3. The BMW and JuiceBox have been software abandoned by their makers. My Tesla continues to improve and seems impervious to all but those who have the hardware in hand. So I'll withdraw from this thread and turn my attention to other things.

GOOD LUCK!

Bob Wilson

 

Gotta read everything with a smirk! At least in this area ;p

 

Pancakes will do that to you.