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Resale Value of 2004 Rebuilt Prius 92K??

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by wiggleton, May 23, 2010.

  1. wiggleton

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    Hi all, I need some advice. I've been a long-time lurker on these forums because I can't get over the "WOW" factor the prius (I'm kind of a techy), and I've come to the point where the problems with my current '04 Chevy Malibu are too annoying

    Anyway, I've been looking for a prius for the past month and have seen one where the second owner of a loaded rebuilt prius with 92K is selling it for $7900. He says he's logged almost 30K on the car, replaced the tires 14K ago, and has maintenance records. I've researched prices on Nadaguides, Edmunds TMV, and KBB, and an '04 in FAIR condition is priced between $8000 - $8500. He's selling it because he bought a 2010 prius, so is probably motivated to sell for car payments.

    So is his price fair given that it's rebuilt?? I mean, it's bad enough (for the owner) that it's rebuilt, but now since the car has had 2 owners, I figure the price should bet much less than that, maybe $6K to $7K. Or am I low-balling too much??

    Also, the reason why I don't want to buy a newer prius is because I want to pay cash, have a limited budget, and have peace of mind that the prius is so reliable that mileage does not matter. For me, it's actually more appealing to have a second owner on a rebuilt car because it takes the guesswork out of quality of repair.

    Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to be thorough. Thanks for all your help!! :)
     
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    What does "rebuilt" mean? Is it a salvage?
     
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    Yes, it was previously salvaged but has a rebuilt title now.
     
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    tough to put a value on a salvage. who knows what might have happened and what might go wrong in the future? what if it seems to drive o.k., but you find you only get 30 mpg? if you insist, i would really low ball so you have cash for a big repair if necessary. i figure my 04 w/70K paid 25K for is worth 7-8. good luck!
     
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    The owner says it was involved in a "minor accident on the right side", so there shouldn't be any big parts damage done. But I'll probably ask for pictures (I would think he would have them from when he bought it..). Thanks for your own price analysis as an owner of an '04.
     
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    Usually a salvage titled car will be 3-4K lower than the blue book value.
     
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    But should that be from 3-4k beneath "excellent", "good", or "fair" condition? Because the prius *looks* new in the pictures, but that's just a good detailing job. Also, the it seems that the prices of priuses in Washington are inflated, since its common for people to post '04 priuses with 100K+ for over $9K
     
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    If the accident was really "minor", then the car would not have been designated salvage by the insurance company. In any event, a current price of around $5K would be more reasonable.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but a used Prius is really not so reliable, so that the odometer reading and prior history is irrelevant. When new, it is the most complex automobile that you can purchase in the $25K-$30K price range. Hybrid system problems can be very difficult to troubleshoot and repair economically.

    I'm not sure why being a second owner of a salvage vehicle takes the guesswork out. How do you know that the current owner is being honest with you, regarding what (if anything) is wrong with the car at this time?

    I suggest that you do some searches on this forum, and you will find a number of recent stories where owners have bought a salvage vehicle, had very difficult and expensive problems, and had no recourse. Good luck with your decision.
     
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    Thanks for your input. I know you're one of the zen masters of the prius, so you're opinion is really valuable.

    I have looked through threads of salvage prius buyers, and there seems to be a good mix of people who are happy with their purchase and those who had problems to no end. Also, I figured since the owner bought another prius, then I could infer that the current one he's selling (assuming that it was his first experience with this car since it is an '04) must have been good to him and that he just wanted to "trade up". And, I'm aware that priuses tend to be salvaged more often by insurance companies because of the complexities of the car.

    Given you're estimate of $5K, it doesn't seem like too bad of a risk. That's how much my malibu is worth now, with a clean title and 72K!!
     
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    Well, if you remain serious about the car, I recommend that you make an offer contingent upon the car passing inspection by your local Toyota dealer's Prius tech. Then if you reach agreement on price, take the car to the dealer and pay for a couple of labor hours, to have the car checked out. You'll want to know the tech's opinion of the accident repairs, see whether any recall work is outstanding, and receive an estimate of any maintenance and repairs that need to be done.
     
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    I don't think it was in a "minor" accident if it was totalled ("salvage"). Unfortunately, the Prius (as previously stated) is one of the most complex cars on the market; there's no such think as a "minor" electrical problem! The car's value depends on what damage was done (known and unknown) and how competently the damage was assessed and repaired. Looking at it another way - try trading a "salvage" title car in to a dealership and see how much they offer you!

    It's a risk decision. If you can afford to loose 5k on a bad bet, go for it - you might get lucky. If you can't afford to loose $5k (if the worst happens and the hybrid drive fails catastrophically), then get a car that doesn't have this unknown and potentially disastrous history.
     
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    Yea, assuming the seller would even consider a $5K offer (he put "$7900 FIRM"), I would bring it to a tech. From reading the forums, I assume things that definitely need to be done for a prius with this much mileage is coolant pump change, 12V battery (if its original), ATF change, and of course oil change.

    If not (and probably what most people consider to be the best thing to do) I can always be smarter buyer/investor and wait for December when more people are selling their cars for cheaper, esp. since the Chevy Volt and Nissan leaf will shake up the market a bit. But, it's good to know the resale value of rebuilt cars in general.

    There's always other fish in the sea...

    Thanks!
     
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    Firm is a relative thing. $7,900 I think is the top of the market for an '04 with that mileage that isn't a salvage. KBB on fair condition is $8,400 with a clean title. I would say $5,000 is the absolute maximum I would pay for that car.

    He might just need a little time to see that...
     
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    Haha, I agree. Maybe I should see how long it takes for him to sell it...But if I were him and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the car, I would just keep it, rather than sell it for only $5k.
     
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    is the salvage title for a minor accident a washington state thing? i've never heard of that. usually, it has to be wriiten off by the insurance company as unrepairable. have you tried carfax?
     
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    And thats the decision most people with salvage cars wind up making...
     
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    Some people think this is minor: Toyota Prius Damaged/Salvage Cars for Sale, Buy Damaged Vehicle, Used Cars. I was in accident last year where I had to replace the front bumper, A/C condensor, recharge the A/C system, headlight assembly, side fender, and a tire rim. It cost the person-at-fault's insurance company over $3 grand, not including my rental car. My car's barely worth over $5K...

    Also, maybe because there's so many prii out here that insurance companies don't want to deal with the possible high cost of repair for every single prius that gets in an accident. The car is so specialized and not just any auto body shop can do the work. I swear, the west coast area, from vancouver to san diego, probably has more prii than the rest of the nation! On my block alone, there are 5 prius owners!

    But unless I see pictures of the damage before repair, I'll get a better idea of whether I should pursue this or not.
     
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    and will there be a way for you to know that the accident he is talking about is the one that caused the ins. co. to salvage it?
    how about repair bill? should be around 8 grand?
     
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    I guess it is all contingent on how good this guy's records are from when he bought the car. Also, I'm confused about your last questions. The car was rebuilt BEFORE the seller bought the car, so I dont know what repair bill you're referring to.
     
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    The big question for me was WHEN was it salvaged? If it was a recent thing (last year or so) that yes, a relatively minor accident could have totaled it. If it was early in it's life when it was salvaged than it would have been a much more severer accident.