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Replacing rear speakers and conclusions...

Discussion in 'Prius v Audio and Electronics' started by gnguyen, Aug 13, 2013.

  1. gnguyen

    gnguyen Junior Member

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    It is fairly ridiculous how hard it is to get decent sound to come out of the rear speakers. I went ahead and replaced them this weekend, and here are my thoughts.

    DIY replacement was not so bad. Pretty easy, and you want to keep the factory brackets on to easily mount the largest speakers you can fit back there, which is 6.5". Poke a hole through the paper cone and peel off the front surround suspension. Then take a hacksaw blade to the three arms holding the basket in place. Pull out the speaker assembly and marvel at how cheap it really is. Cut off the wires so you can reuse the factory wiring harness female plug, the Metra brand harness won't fit in place of the factory harness. Solder new wires and quick connect terminals to the factory plug. Drill out holes in the remaining factory mount to screw the new replacement speaker in place, if your speakers didn't come with screws some stainless steel 6x3/8" screws will do the trick. Mount the speaker, close up the door.

    Yes the new speakers sound better. Much better response across the audible spectrum, and handles high volumes more cleanly.

    The real problem is that the head unit still doesn't play the rears at an audible volume until you set the front/rear fade to more than 3/4 back. My conclusion is that the head unit is designed to create a frontal soundstage most of the time, and enforces this by almost always putting more volume to the fronts than the rears.

    While this is an interesting idea, I find that the cabin of the Prius v is so full of road noise on the highway that the back seats can't hear the front speakers until they're cranked way too high for the comfort of the driver. In this case you just want to power the front and rear speakers evenly, and forget about trying to create a frontal soundstage.

    There are two things you can do to fix this. Either install sound dampening to your cabin, or install an amp and rebalance the signal coming from the head unit. Installing replacement speakers alone will not be adequate to overcome the frontal calibration of the factory head unit. I suppose you could as a third option replace the head unit, but I don't know if replacement HUs can duplicate the hybrid engine and gas efficiency readouts.

    In my case, I don't yet know if I want to install an amp. And for the time being my young family has a baby who falls asleep fairly easily in the car, in part due to all the white noise that the Prius v allows into the cabin while driving. I don't want to jeopardize being able to rely on that for some peace and quiet!

    As a caveat, there is maybe one notch on the head unit front/rear fade that outputs equal volume from the front and rear speakers, but at this setting neither set of speakers are getting full power. So you really have to crank the volume on the head unit, which increases the distortion in its output. Not an ideal solution.

    So that's my weekend speaker replacement adventure. I'll post some pictures of the install in a comment below.
     
  2. rjparker

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    Good summary. I thought about adding a speaker level amp to replacement rear speakers and adjusting it accordingly for proper volume balance without the rear biased fade adjustment (which I currently do also). It would seem that a small subwoofer could also be driven from the back amp. I agree that the head unit is not likely to be replaced. Thoughts?
     
  3. kingnba6

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    in new cars, the headunits have so many features that replacing them is only a downgrade, well to me, because i like the ability to use the usb and aux inputs. and everything else. i plan on upgrading the rear speakers and only adding an amp for the rear speakers. that way i can fully unleash the potential of the rear speakers which the headunit wouldnt be able to do. i bet right now your new speakers are highly underpowered.
     
  4. gnguyen

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    I'd make sure to amp the line out from the head unit itself, I don't trust the speaker level outs to be clean enough to amplify.

    The new speakers are JBL GTO638's which have the among the highest sensitivity ratings I could find. I was hoping that would be enough, and they are a tiny bit louder and definitely more clear than the factory rears. I would NOT recommend them because the tweeters stick out too far and the plastic door panel is slightly protruding in the speaker grille region because of it. The door panel is secure and the speakers are fine with the pressure but it's not ideal.
     
  5. Stevevee

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    I was going to have the dealer FIX my rear speakers at the first service, now I understand it's actually standard to have no rear speaker sound. I didn't really notice this until my rear seat passenger noted she hadn't heard anything the entire trip. I went and adjusted the fader to all rear, and they were barely audible. I simply cannot believe this isn;t an issue with the head units supplied. Why have rear speakers if the sound is so low?

    I'm not tickled with the sound overall, which is not nearly as good as my 2011 Camry was. But in this case, I think the rear speaker problem is a defect, not an intended design.
     
  6. NoMoShocks

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    Toyota Listening? How about a firmware update that fixes the gain structure between front and rear speakers?

    Anyway, I started thinking maybe I should just install an amplifier with a separate volume control in the rear so my rear seat passengers can adjust the rear seat volume. Weird idea, I know.
     
  7. kithmo

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    What happens if you swap over the speaker wiring on the headset, fronts to back and vice versa, does it go louder at the back than the front then ?
    Could it be that the rears don't go through the amp and the fronts do in the standard set up ?