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what a dope

 

The only thing missing is the Honda generator carried in the back. It is a fraud article staged to fool the media.

Bob Wilson

 

Charging for 'renters' is being addressed. The degree of success varies, but it is really just starting.

You should make sure fueling will be available before you buy a car.

 

An article about using lampposts for charging stations.
Study Finds On-Street Lampost EV Chargers Are Lowest-Carbon Solution (insideevs.com)

 

Too bad it requires a phone and app.

Level 2 chargers in Europe don't have cables; the car supplies it. It addresses the issues with the cable being at the charger, but is a shift from how Americans are use to. Better to make switch sooner than later.

NYC has a pilot prgram with lamp post and other street side chargers. Two of the companies are from the UK, and use the separate cables. The other is local with cable on the charger. It looks short though, and may not reach a car's left side. https://www.voltpost.com/

 

Looks like the op fell for one of the oldest pieces of FUD in the book. One of my regular stops before moving to the boonies was at an apartment complex that had a couple charge points ..... free, to boot.

 

Adding an app to a phone is laughingly easy. Getting a phone is likewise easy with so few barriers, so simple an 8 year old can do it.

This critique reminds me of a fable about a guy who had a dog that could talk. His neighbor was not impressed because the dog's poor use of grammar.

 

This is why that is NOT FUD. There was "an apartment complex that had a couple charge points". That's interpreted as 1 or 2 charge points for a complex, which implies high density housing.

The article is about the how many existing apartments don't have 1 : 1 ratio of renter's cars to charging facilities. That is not a distortion of the truth in any way.

 

Yet, not everyone has a cell phone, let alone a smart phone. But that wasn't my concern. It was the fact that the need for a cell phone meant this EVSE wasn't confirming to payment method regulations that require contactless payment readers for chip cards. Early EV adopters found having different payment methods for different charger networks tedious. In part because many people prefer using a card vs their phone for payments. Universal payment regulations were introduced to address this, and the operation of this EVSE is a step back from that.

 

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. IT seems, however. that the US gov is perfectly OK with credit cards as an option.
from Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment Standards Regulation Background and FAQs | California Air Resources Board

What are the required rollout dates in the regulation?
Details are listed at the end of this document, but new installations must have the required credit card technology by Jan 1, 2022, for public direct current fast charging (DCFC) and July 1, 2023, for public Level 2 chargers. Existing installations must be retrofitted by July 1, 2033. The decision to adopt compliance dates for retrofits that are far into the future was because the Board recognizes the cost burden on existing EVSE owners. As a result, overall costs for compliance will be spread out over a longer period of time, reducing the cost impact on expanding the network.
What are the required rollout dates in the regulation?
Details are listed at the end of this document, but new installations must have the required credit card technology by Jan 1, 2022, for public direct current fast charging (DCFC) and July 1, 2023, for public Level 2 chargers. Existing installations must be retrofitted by July 1, 2033. The decision to adopt compliance dates for retrofits that are far into the future was because the Board recognizes the cost burden on existing EVSE owners. As a result, overall costs for compliance will be spread out over a longer period of time, reducing the cost impact on expanding the network.

 

His voice was probably a bit scratchy and ruff, too.

Mike

 

Um, I said taking cards for payment was a requirement. What chip cards are used for paying that aren't credit or debit?
How will the utility pole EVSE comply with these regulations? Some type of card reader at ground level that will lower the cord when verified. Which will negate the need for a phone.

 

It's granting access to your personal device to an application that will do who knows what with who knows what information it gathers that's the challenge. As a rule I don't install apps on my phone unless it does something that absolutely must be done on my phone and cannot be accomplished by visiting a Web site with a web browser.

 

Are Tesla campers taboo? I see lots of articles about occupied public chargers, but they almost never mention that the cars occupying public chargers (especially free chargers) are usually Teslas, which have plenty of range to get around all day charging at home. They just drive their big batteries around to suck up discount power.

 

With the majority of plug ins sold being Teslas, a majority of cars taking up public chargers are going to be Teslas.

 

Post #16 brought up free chargers. Most of those are Level 2. They likely don't have the option of idle fees to nudge people to move on. I took the camping term to mean parked at a charger past the time charging had finished. The free DC chargers I know of have limits, and sign up requirements, so they aren't free for long.

The adapters aren't cheap, so they with were likely purchased because Supercharger coverage didn't meet the person's needs, or were simply inconvenient to their route. The Tesla chargers are likely cheaper for them than the others. Between that and the added chore of using the adapter, why would they choose not to use a Supercharger?