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Recommended wash frequency, wax brand

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by birdsquared, Jan 9, 2008.

  1. birdsquared

    birdsquared New Member

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    I searched the forum, but didn't see a post discussing this. I've only owned beaters up until now, so I rarely washed them and never waxed them. Obviously, when the car gets "too" dirty, you wash it - but assuming regular dirt accumulation, roughly how often do you wash your Prius?

    Also, any recommendations for good cleaning and waxing products that treat the Toyota paint "just right"?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    I wash it frequently.. usually once a week in the summer, if not at the very least, every 2 weeks (trying to reduce water consumption here). Given that you live a few cities away from me, you probably experience the same weather (Almost! snow not included) and the same damn seagulls.


    There really isn't one holy grail of a product to use. You'll soon find (when this thread starts to fill up) that we use a wide variety of products.

    So to start off, here's my arsenal

    - Sundance Car Wash Soap (from Canadian Tire)

    - Microfibre cloth (for drying)

    - Extra soft bristle brush (make sure it's really soft and for car use otherwise you'll end up scratching the paint. Ideally, use a wash mitt. Both my mitts are dirty hence the brush as a substitute).

    - Mother's Claybar Kit (Meguire's has one too and I'd get that since it has a bigger claybar than the Mother's and doesn't come with a bottle of wax.. which I don't need. If you're not picky about wax, then the Mother's claybar kit will work)

    - Mother's Pre-Wax cleaner (not necessary but there in case I'm too lazy to claybar)

    - Mother's Sealant & Glaze

    - Mother's Pure Carnuba Paste Wax (not cleaner wax, it's pure wax)

    I also have Mother's California Gold Pure Carnuba Cleaner Wax if I'm lazy to use the pre-wax/S&G.

    I have no relations to Mother's, it's just that Canadian Tire just happened to have the entire set when I was looking to buy.


    For the best shine, go with a carnuba wax. It'll give you that "wet" look. However, because it is a natural product, it won't last as long as the synthetic products.


    Take a look at this thread for more information:
    Detailing Your Car
     
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    Tideland, thanks for the link to the detailing thread (which uses the word "wax" many times - do not know why search for "wax" didn't pick it up).

    Your recommendations are certainly thorough, though I suppose the inference I was leaving was a little too vague - I didn't do any car cleaning before now, so I was looking for perhaps a recommended regime that is as minimal as possible, while still being "acceptable" (to varying degrees of "acceptable" of course).

    For example, reading through the detailing thread, and the 'users' Owner manual, and other linked threads, and other searching, I am wondering about how workable the following is: Get the Mr. Clean Auto Dry (MCAD) device, use that to clean the car. Then use NuFinish Paste (once - maybe twice - a year). Then continue to use the MCAD on an as needed basis (twice a month or less if possible). If I were to do a claybar-ing - that would be after the MCAD and before the NuFinish, right?

    I suppose what I am asking is for the simplest and most efficient methodology, rather than a detail oriented, time consuming one. Most of the multi-step procedures seem to be written by people who like cleaning their cars (not that there's anything wrong with that :D ). If there is a one-two punch that'll do the job - that's perfect for me.
     
  4. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    np. I think "wax" is too short? (i.e. it has to be a 4 letter word or longer).


    Ahh haha. MCAD is ok although you're pretty much forced to use their products (soap, filter etc).

    The easiest is probably an automated wash lol (I use Esso's touchless so I minimise the risk of getting scratches from the brushes).

    In terms of self-cleaning, I recommend Optimum No Rinse. It requires two buckets of water - one with the solution, another with just plain water to be used as a rinse bucket. That's it. No need for a hose. Just dip your mitt in the solution, wipe the car and rinse it in the 2nd bucket whenever the mitt is dirty. Once the car is "washed" (or rather wiped clean), then just dry with a microfibre cloth (or similar).

    I can't remember who but someone here bought a bottle of Optimum No Rinse on my recommendation and was satisfied with it (hopefully a search can turn his/her name up).

    NuFinish once or twice a year is fine. I usually wax before and after summer (or before and after winter.. depending on my schedule and the weather).

    You're right about the claybar. It's after the wash and before the wax. Claybarring removes the wax so make sure you have time to wax the car if you're going to claybar. You'll be amazed how much crap is stuck to the paint (mine's already rough since I last claybar in July or thereabouts).

    Do it well and you'll get great results. Here are my glamour shots:
    http://priuschat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35840
     
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    I have a question about microfiber cloths. I bought one to dry off my prius after I wash it, but it didn't work like I expected. It leaves streaks on the car and windshield, and I end up having to use a regular towel to completely dry it off. Is there some special method required to get it to dry more thoroughly?
     
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    Ooh - I'm interested in the response, since I just put in an order for some Cobra microfiber cloths to go with the Optimum No-Rinse, and the Klasse All-in-One that I also just ordered...
     
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    My previous car was also a beater that got little washing, and my method is near the easy end of the scale. For four years I've used Mr. Clean Autodry whenever I feel like washing the Prius and it looks great: glossy and unswirled. I use one mitt for the wheels only and one all cotton mitt for everything else, and launder the mitts after each use.

    I waxed it once with Turtle when it was new, and not since. I'll probably re-wax the roof in the coming year as water is not beading on it as well as before.
     
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    Make sure it isn't cool? I've noticed (because of the nature of MF cloths) that if the ambient air temp is low enough, after I wipe, there are tons of tiny little beads of water left behind and I can't remove it no matter how much I wipe. Like you, I have to use a regular cloth/towel to clean up the tiny beads. In the summer, it works well since the beads of water are so small and the temperature is warm enough that they evaporate.

    Looks like you're all set. The Klasse AIO seems to be recommended often so let me know how that works out for you. Ditto the Optimum No-Rinse. I hope to get a set once my current carwash soap runs out.
     
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    After some experimenting I have found that the original Toyo cleaner/sealer that came in the center console of the car when new works really good. I wash the car once a week but have noticed the hood because of it being aluminum needs some special attention. First I use the original Toyo stuff as a cleaner than have had good results putting Zymoil wax on after cleaning & buffing the Toyo stuff off. But every wax everyone has mentioned so far is great too. I like Zymoil as I'm lazy and it seems to go on & come off easy. I have just done the hood so far about about every week or so. After 5 months I'm getting ready to Toyo/Wax the whole car. So far the hood has no scratches or dings which I have been expecting as so many posters have had issues with the paint on the hood being soft and getting chipped. Try my system...you'll like the results.
     
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    Haven't received my care products yet, but I have another question - I've got an OEM hood deflector on my Prius, and I'm wondering whether/how to wax under it. I can probably swipe a cloth with the no-rinse cleaner on it, but I don't think I can get my hand under it enough to apply the Klasse. Should I remove it to wax, or just try and reach as far under it as possible?

    Thanks again.
     
  12. Tideland Prius

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    I guess it depends how anal you are regarding the wax application.
     
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    Personally I'd bin the deflector but that is my personal choice. I believe they damage the paint more than they protect.
    Hopefully you waxed the bonnet prior to fitting the deflector.
    How do you normally clean under the deflector? If your not cleaning under it you are damaging your paint.

    Wash the car when it looks dirty and rinse under wheel arches if you have been driving on salt, every time
    Wax twice a year I was told by a professional car washer.
     
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    Well, I finally got my various products, and tried them out today. 4 hours later, I am very impressed with the Optimum No Rinse (ONR) solution, and I can't tell about the Klasse All-in-One (KAIO), and I am not sure I used the Mother's Claybar (MC)correctly...

    The ONR is a cinch to use, though I think I put more water than necessary in the bucket, hard to tell - I don't know how much is needed to rinse the dirt off the microfiber towel (I want to buy a wash mitt), and leave enough for cleaning - I certainly didn't need all of the roughly 1 and 1/2 gallons I prepared. I also think I need a bigger drying towel, since the Prius is very much a MID size car (I thought it was spacious inside - I didn't realize until I started washing it how big it is outside...)

    I did the MC on the driver's half of the car, front to back. I found very, very few spots where it appeared to be picking anything up, and I didn't feel much of a difference on the texture of the paint surface from the side I claybarred compared to the passenger side. It may be that at around 40 Fahrenheit (5 Celsius) that it doesn't work at its optimum, or I just don't know how to properly use it - although the instructions are straightforward - spray with lubricant, and rub the clay back and forth over the lubricated surface.

    The KAIO is probably good, though it is difficult to get a sense of where it has been applied, and where it hasn't - I'm sure I put on way too much, but it is very hard to see if there is any left on the applicator, so I figured better safe than sorry. The part I like about it is that you just put it on everything - plastic, glass, painted surfaces, etc. I guess now is a waiting game, to see how long the stuff lasts, and to see how evenly I distributed the product on the surfaces of the car.

    I am sure my arms and back will be sore tomorrow from this experience, and I am delighted that I should only need to do the KAIO 2x a year. (I am thinking that the MC will be an as needed thing -with KAIO only to touch up a MC wiped area). I figure with a wash mitt and a bigger drying towel that I can get a car wash done in a bit over an hour, which is OK if it is once a month or so. I do not know about every two weeks...
     
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    Most experienced detailers that have used Klasse AIO always followed it up with one or more coats of Klasse SG (Sealant Glaze). The sealant portion of AIO doesn't last for very long by itself. When I was still using Klasse products, I'd always apply at least two coats of SG after AIO.

    My experience is that the new Zaino AIO product is better than Klasse AIO in every important aspect (ease of application and removal, durability, appearance, slickness). The same is true for the Zaino sealants (Z-2 and Z-5 Pro) over Klasse SG. While I was never crazy about the Zaino sealants' appearance over reds and dark colors, topping them with the new Z-CS product greatly improves them, to the point where I no longer use less durable sealants just because they look better than Z-2 and Z-5 on dark colors.
     
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    Great to hear that the ONR is working out well for you! :)

    The MC won't make a difference yet since your car is fairly brand new and there isn't much contaminants on the paint (remember the car gets covered with that white stuff when it's shipped so the hood/roof/doors are protected).

    Come back after a few months. The area behind the front wheels and in front of the front doors will be rough (at least that's the area on mine that's the roughest).

    I'm surprised you managed to wax the car lol. I washed the car but didn't want to wax cause I wasn't sure if the wax would work at this cold a temperature. I guess I should've done it cause the bottom half of the car is definitely worn out (of wax that is).
     
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    Re: Can you wash a car too much?

    Can you wash a car too much?? I have an 07 and 05 and I have a one year subscription for each car at a local car wash here in San Antonio, Tx. I can have them washed 365 times a year at no extra cost. I have the red car washed 3-4 times a week,(my car) the blue one (wife's 07) 2-3 times a week.
    Is this too much? Should I have them waxed? How often? Both cars look great!
    Ed
     
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    Re: Can you wash a car too much?

    That amount of washing is pretty excessive to me :eek:, if those are my cars. I would wax them at least once every two or three months simply because each car is getting rinsed 3-4 times a week.
     
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    holy crap. 3-4 times a week??? and I thought my once a week was bad.

    I hope your car wash recycles the water!

    I usually wax at least twice a year.
     
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    I've been using the TurtleWax ICE products on my new 2008. So far so good. It goes on fast and wipes off fast. The really cool thing is that it is safe to apply on all exterior surfaces and doesn't leave white residue behind on black plastics. The water beads up great with this stuff.

    I wash my car once a week (live on a gravel road...lots of dust.).

    Cheers!