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Prius -vs- living on a tall Hill + Short Commute

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Tommerdoo, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. Tommerdoo

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    Hi Priuschat members, I'm new here so please forgive if these have been answered but I did my best to glean what I could from the amazing content on these forums.

    I just got my 2004 Prius a week ago and though I was really nervous, I was excited to learn more about this amazing car and to spend some time learning about how to make it the best it could be.

    I live at 1,500 ft elevation above town and use my car mostly to run into town (on the big island of hawaii) and back. Town is only about a 16 minute drive one way. I've taken my little Prius up and down the hill now with tank of gas and got 39mpg actual. Is this normal, good bad, low? I registered seeing 52mpg on the computer on the highway but most of our life is just into town and back and the Big Island is pretty small compared to the mainland. I'm sure in my situation my mpg won't be that amazing as the car has to work harder on the hills around here. What would be a normal realistic MPG given our lifestyle here?
     
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    Hi Tommerdoo. High 30's to low 40's might be about all you'll get in those circumstances.

    The prius works best on descents where there is a series of smaller downhill sections with long enough flat sections in between to fully utilize the regenerated energy. On continual long descents, where there is little or no option of using the regenerated energy, then it does get a lot less efficient.

    For a numerical example, consider a relatively mild slope that is just steep enough to allow you to maintain a glide (0 L/100km) for the entire descent. From experience I find that climbing on the return journey might use about 8 L/100km, giving an average of 4 L/100km (59 MPG) for the overall journey.

    In contrast, given a relatively steep descent I will still use 0 L/100km on the way down, but now use about 12 L/100km on the way back up. This gives a much worse two way average of 6 L/100km (about 39 MPG).

    If the hill is not very high then asymmetry is much less, as the battery will store much more energy when descending the steep hill, compared to a gentle hill of the same elevation. However for the type of elevation you are talking about (1500 ft), most of the regenrated energy will be wasted and there's just not much that you can do about that.
     
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    That sounds about right. I've noticed that I can never obtain as high of fuel economy trip averages when going up into the mountains and back as I can running around on the flats. Although the descent uses little fuel, the climbs use so much fuel (usually 20 mpg or less) that the averages still end up lower than flat driving.

    The energy storage is very limited, so it's only able to capture a small amount of the energy from a substantial descent. The extra energy is wasted. The trip length is also pretty short for optimum fuel economy. The best fuel economy is usually observed on trips of at least 30 minutes each way. Not saying you should keep driving around in circles, just that it's a factor that lowers the average.
     
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  4. Tommerdoo

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    Thank you so much for your input. It helps give me a baseline on my expectations.

    During the first tank of gas I had also taken the Prius up to the top of our 5,000 foot mountain road above town TWICE (as well as doing an hour highway loop) so I'm quite impressed with the fuel economy given these driving conditions.

    This Prius is a fun little car to drive. Something interesting upon buying the car..... the previous owner had put 55psi in all four tires and upon test driving it, I didn't like that the Prius really shaked and rattled over the bumps and potholes. Now with a 42/40 psi in the tires, the car is much much smoother, thankfully!
     
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    55 PSI is way too high, and dangerously stupid (if you ask me). The (FE) benefits will drop exponentially for every 1 PSI above 39 PSI, at your 42/40 pressures you are at about the max value for the effort.

    Experiment, by all means, but safety first.
     
  6. Tommerdoo

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    Thanks, it was because of PriusChat that I came to that conclusion. Seriously, I wouldn't even TRY to own a Prius if I didn't have the internet. What did people do before the internet? Buy Haynes/Chilton manuals and try to decode the pictures I guess..
     
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    they talked to other people.:eek:
     
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