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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I'm a little squeamish about posting what could be normal, statistical variation. But the chart also relates to the tapering down of Prius hatch back sales in September 2013: Average Fuel Economy On the Rise Again

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    Data compiled by University of Michigan’s Michael Sivak and Brandon Schoettle show the average fuel economy of new vehicles sold in April 2017 was its highest all year, after January and February reported 25.1 mpg and March had 25.2 mpg. The 25.3-mpg figure also matches the highest its been since August 2014, when it was 25.5 mpg.

    The more interesting phenomena is the plateau that started the middle of 2014. In effect, buyers were no longer selecting fuel efficient cars to the same degree. There were many reports suggesting SUVs and pickups had became much more popular. So I suspect the 'uptick' in mileage, possibly just statistical noise, might signal saturation of the initial SUV demand along with more fuel efficient cars becoming part of standard vehicle offerings. For example, the RAV-4 hybrid and Hyundai Niro who are both doing well in the market with class-leading mileage.

    One untested hypothesis is buyers may have no choice but to buy a more fuel efficient vehicle be it SUV, pickup, or other. This technology has a longer lead time but in the last two weeks Autoline Daily/After Hours reported vehicles have 'about a 2 1/2 year development time scale.' That would nicely end with the uptick but that could just be coincidence.

    An interesting thought is new Prius Prime technology, the one-way clutch, makes a significant improvement in efficiency. In effect it expands the speed range for engine-off operation moving the threshold from 42 mph to 84 mph. For the Toyota hybrids, this is potentially a game changer.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I'd say that it's more than just the one-way clutch - it merely allows MG1 to contribute power along with MG2, without spinning the engine backwards. That means that there's actually the power available to actually do 84 mph with the engine off, but a smaller battery wouldn't be able to supply that much power anyway.

    There's also the higher RPM MG1 (10,000 RPM), which mechanically enables higher speeds, and the Liftback gets that too (fun fact, the Liftback could hypothetically do something like 95-98 mph with the engine off, with its taller gearing - the control laws don't allow it, but it is mechanically possible).

    And, finally, there's the electric transmission oil pump, which helps keep the transaxle cool even when running at high speeds with the engine off. (The Liftback's version of the P610 uses an engine-driven pump, and that's why the control laws start the engine even when it's not needed for propulsion power above somewhere between 68 (Toyota's claim) and 73 (my experience) mph.)

    Back on the original topic, though... one thing that might be informative is to look at the HybridCars.com dashboard, and its highlighting of the changes in take rate - take rate affecting CAFE - for efficient vehicles.

    Hybrid take rate is 2.18% for April 2017, 2.10% year to date, compared to 1.85% year to date last year. (Also, hybrid sales have increased year to date, despite a declining market. And, they didn't decline as much as the industry this month.)

    PHEV take rate is 0.50% for April 2017, 0.49% year to date, compared to 0.33% year to date last year. (Same trends on the PHEVs, although they've increased significantly year to date.)

    BEV take rate is 0.42% for April 2017, 0.50% year to date, compared to 0.37% year to date last year. However, you have Tesla reporting in here, which makes the month-to-month take rate look weird - Tesla's sales have cratered, but Tesla sales figures are merely guesses. I also feel like you've got a market that's waiting for new product, affecting sales. The BEV market is up significantly YTD, but down significantly in April.

    Diesel take rate (it does affect CAFE) is 0.66% for April 2017, 0.53% year to date, 0.79% last year. The reason for the spike in diesel take rate is... a bunch of new 2015 TDIs got sold in April, and the Cruze Diesel and Jaguar XF diesel are rolling out. It being down from last year is likely fallout from Dieselgate. Edit: I forgot, both Daimler and FCA failed to certify some of their diesels for 2017. That'll take a lot of sales out.
     
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    I suspect these can be overcome with little cost impact and possibly some savings. I'm not too worried about the P610 electrical pump because both variants have sling-oil lubrication.

    I agree the history of take rate might give insights. I had not thought to track it since my interest was the distribution of efficient vehicle models.

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    Overlay gas prices and you may see why it plateaued.

    From 2013 to 2016 gas prices have dropped quite significantly in the $/gallon
    2013 = $3.505
    2014 = $3.358
    2015 = $2.429
    2016 = $2.143

    That has definitely put more people in SUVs because they don't see the extreme cost of operation. Several coworkers have bought quite fuel inefficient cars/SUVs recently. I still remember the $4.15/gallon I paid to fill my 2006 Chevy Blazer. That thing got 15 in the city. I hated it and got rid of it ASAP. Some folks may just have amnesia. For now I will enjoy my $20 fill ups.

    Overall, cars are becoming more fuel efficient just from technology improvements. It is sad the Obama fuel requirements are dead in the water. The only real way to change it is to use our wallets as consumers.

    Awesome write up about this tech. It will be interesting to see how much this will affect efficiency gains.
     
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    Makes sense to me. My wife's 2015 Outback AWD gets better real world mpg (30) than her previous, tiny 09 Honda Civic 5sp coupe (29); both hwy commuters.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    (I agree with your comments and analysis), but...
    The Prius plug in can go up to 62 mph (100 km/h) in EV mode.

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