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Pedestrian struck, killed in Anaheim; driver flees

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by IsrAmeriPrius, Jan 25, 2007.

  1. IsrAmeriPrius

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  2. Tech_Guy

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    Duh???

    If they know the license plate number. Can't the police figure out who owns it and where they live???

    Keith :unsure:
     
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    Dark Blue? It would have to be a gen I. The gen II don't come in dark blue. (yet)

    The 5 beginning the license plate means it's fairly recent. My rental car's license plate starts with a 5. So it's a new car that is not a Prius or a gen I that has changed hands and they've applied for a new license plate. Do the gen Is qualify for the HOV stickers? Could it have been a black Prius? Or maybe it wasn't a Prius at all. Would the Honda Civic Hybrid come in dark blue and qualify for HOV stickers?
     
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    Or they could have mistaken Seaside Pearl as dark blue.

    My sequence was 5EXN882 when I was in CA and mine was bought in Oct '03, so it would be a newer registration than my '04.
     
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    "...older adult pedestrians are much more vulnerable to serious injury or death when struck by a motor vehicle than younger pedestrians. For example, the percentage of pedestrian crashes resulting in death exceeds 20 percent for pedestrians over age 75, compared to less than 8 percent for pedestrians under age 14.3,4"

    from: http://www.walkinginfo.org/pedsafe/crashstats.cfm

    I walk to work almost every day.

    I've had more close calls as a pedestrian than as a motorcyclist.

    In the US pedestrians, as Rodney Dangerfield would say, "Don't get no respect." We have become such a car culture that a pedestrian's right to cross the street is not readily acknowledged by the average car driver. I've been flipped off and honked at for asserting my right to cross the street on a Walk signal.

    The average motorist needs to lighten up, learn some manners, and acknowledge the right-of-way that pedestrians are legally entitled to.

    Harry
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(htmlspinnr @ Jan 26 2007, 03:27 AM) [snapback]380993[/snapback]</div>
    This is true. I don't consider Seaside Pearl to be dark blue but I don't consider it to be light either. The light vs dark description is subjective.
     
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    Perps apprehended http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/c...s-pe-california

    Two people police say were involved in a hit-and-run accident that killed an 88-year-old pedestrian trying to cross an Anaheim street were arrested Thursday, authorities said.

    Elaine Carol Snitzer, 24, of Orange was arrested on suspicion of felony hit and run a day after Du Whang Kim was struck by a Toyota Prius that failed to stop at the scene, Anaheim Police Sgt. Rick Martinez said.

    Kim, of Santa Ana, was hit about 9 p.m. Wednesday in the 2100 block of South Harbor Boulevard. He died at UCI Medical Center in Orange.

    Witnesses gave the car's description and license to police, who found the car with front end damage parked in a neighborhood in Orange, authorities said.

    Andrew Zaballero, 23, of Orange was arrested on suspicion of being an accessory to the crime, police said.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Earthling @ Jan 26 2007, 08:11 AM) [snapback]381030[/snapback]</div>
    And it would be nice if our intersections and parking lots were more pedestrian friendly. We have two shopping malls located directly across the street from each other, but god help you if you try to walk between them. There are no sidewalks, so you kind of balance on the curb, and then the only crosswalk is at a monster intersection. "Push to cross" buttons are conveniently located at both sides of the crosswalk, but they don't do anything. Obviously we are all supposed to drive.

    Tom
     
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    This is obviously a terrible tragedy, but I can't immediately blame the driver. It was a very traumatic event and some people deal with these events differently (flee in shock). Also, the 88 year old pedestrian may have been making an illegal j-walk, or crossing when the don't walk sign was displayed. In the early evening time when this accident occurred visibility is difficult, especially in the Prius which lacks upper shading on the windshield. The Prius also emits very low levels of noise pollution and the pedestrian may have had bad vision and was just listening for traffic. The other day on the way home from work, an elderly woman was driving along on her cell phone at about 5mph on a busy 45mph road. She rolled to a stop, but when she saw me sitting patiently behind her, she gassed her buick trying to move to the side of the road, but ended up down the ravine on a walking path. She was okay, but still talking on her cell phone. I think there needs to be more care and respect shown for our elderly by not allowing them to drive when it becomes too dangerous for them. I wonder if this 88 year old pedestrian could have been saved if he was being assisted home by a younger relative.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(toyotablackbox @ Jan 26 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]381137[/snapback]</div>
    Come on, there can be no excuse for leaving the scene. And I don't care how old a person is, with a phone stuck in one's ear anyone is susceptible in making a dumb mistake.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(toyotablackbox @ Jan 26 2007, 08:43 AM) [snapback]381137[/snapback]</div>
    California Vehicle Code Section 20001(a) mandates that, regardless of fault, a driver who is involved in an accident where someone is injured or killed must stop, render aid to the inured person (such as calling for an ambulance, for example) and give his driver's license, registration and insurance information to the other party or to a law enforcement official.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(toyotablackbox @ Jan 26 2007, 12:43 PM) [snapback]381137[/snapback]</div>
    I can. You never leave the scene of an accident.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(toyotablackbox @ Jan 26 2007, 12:43 PM) [snapback]381137[/snapback]</div>
    Holy Hell... you mean it's okay to run over jaywalkers? When did the world turn into Grand Theft Auto?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Jan 26 2007, 03:16 PM) [snapback]381260[/snapback]</div>
    Yeah. The guy died in the hospital, not the road. So they hit an 88-year old man and left him to die in the street. No excuse for that. Do not pass go. Go directly to jail.
     
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    Harvest their organs. My GF would say "dog food".
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Earthling @ Jan 26 2007, 09:11 AM) [snapback]381030[/snapback]</div>
    Greetings, Earthling! Wow, is it ever great to hear this. You have no idea how long I've been marooned on this car-centric planet waiting for a kindred spirit. :)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Jan 26 2007, 12:16 PM) [snapback]381260[/snapback]</div>
    Okay, I will admit that they should not have left the accident scene and should be punished accordingly, but I feel strongly that pedestrians need to yeild the road to automobiles for their own safety, especially on high speed roads (edit- I'm not talking about when the WALK light is displayed or when cars are to stop at crosswalks, but when people decide to illegally jaywalk). I walk to work frequently, but I am not one of those people who just walk out into the crosswalk and make other drivers slam on their brakes to not hit me at 40mph. Most drivers do not even pay attention to the crosswalks and I won't put my life in their hands. If pedestrians decide to not look both ways before jaywalking on high speed roads, then YES! I think the idiot should be ran over! I should not have to crash my car to aviod hitting a pedestrian if there is no time to stop or safely aviod the jaywalker. I witnessed a pedestrian accident at dusk in front of my local grocery store and it is not pretty for anyone. A man with groceries walked out in the crosswalk on a 45mph road and a Pontiac facing into the sun didn't see him and hit him at nearly 50mph sending him several car lengths into the opposite direction and totalling the car. If he had just waited until it was safe he would still be alive.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(toyotablackbox @ Jan 27 2007, 01:21 AM) [snapback]381426[/snapback]</div>
    And the idiot that doesn't hit the brakes should go free...? :angry: :angry:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mrbogie @ Jan 26 2007, 02:30 PM) [snapback]381231[/snapback]</div>
    NO, what you mean is that there OUGHT to be no excuse. Our society seems perfectly satisfied with philosophys where it's ok to flee accidents, or book when the cops are after you. Cop chases you, you crash into someone who dies. Surviving family sues city for 10 mil. City changes high speed pursuit policy. (shaking head).
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(toyotablackbox @ Jan 26 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]381426[/snapback]</div>
    Um, care to share your proof that the guy who was run over was jaywalking? Where's your evidence it was a high speed road? Have you any proof to refute the possibility that maybe it was a 25 mph zone, the guy was crossing at an intersection, and the Prius driver was cooked on meth? That seems as likely as your theories, and since we have no proof...

    That last quote makes it sound like you're sounding more and more like the idiot who should be run over, if I'm being honest. Even if someone's jaywalking, there is *NO EXCUSE* to run them over.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Jan 27 2007, 01:48 PM) [snapback]381723[/snapback]</div>
    There may be no excuse to intentionally run them over, but, by definition, a jay walker is crossing at a place where a driver wouldn't expect it. If I'm cresting a hill at 35mph and there's a jay walker just 30 feet away that I can't see until the car levels out and I hit them then I have a VERY Good excuse for hitting them...in fact it was unavoidable and completely the jay walker's negligent choice to cross at a spot where such a collision was unavoidable that caused him to be hit.

    Now, there's likely no excuse for leaving the scene. And no excuse for intentionally hitting someone. But to say 'no excuse "period"' I can't agree with.