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P0AA6, detail 526, and 612

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by 98redkick, Jun 25, 2018.

  1. 98redkick

    98redkick New Member

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    Hi all,

    Been lurking for years. Benefited much. I have an 05 Prius w/222k miles on it. Owned since 160k. Been a great car. Besides routine maintenance, I've replaced a few cells over the last two years and a yellow optima 12v last year (currently sits at 12.3v according to MDF).

    A couple weeks ago it gave me a host of lights on the dashboard, including the red triangle. I ordered the mini VCI and techstream. It gave me the following codes: P0AA6, details: 526 and 612. My reading led me to think it is a ground fault in the battery pack, so I took it apart looking for leaking cells, poorly insulated terminals and the like. The bottom of the pack looks like it had something spilled under there, but no evidence of any leaks inside the pack. I'm sure there are more thorough tests I could have done, but I didn't see anything obvious (bloated cells, leaks, etc). I measured the voltage of individual cells and they were all within .02 of each other.

    Zipped it back together, same codes popped up after a day's driving and 3 starts. I'm guessing the possible culprits are one of the relays in the pack, pack ecu. Does anyone have any pointers for how to narrow down the culprit? Since I need a battery anyhow, I'm open to buying an OEM Toyota pack (if it is a grounding issue with the batteries that I can't locate) but am also worried about diagnosing it correctly before sinking $$$ into the car.

    Any help would be appreciated!

    Dan
     
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    I would look at the modules end terminals for leaks. And usually if you let the car sit for a week, the leaking module will drop in voltage.
     
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    Welcome to Prius Chat (y).

    Some questions:

    • What torque are you using when you swap modules?
    • Are you charging the pack when you swap?
    • What color is the spillage?
    • Do you have access to pH strips?
    • What do the bus bars look like?
    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    This makes no sense to me.... "looks like it had something spilled under there" and "no evidence of any leaks inside the pack"

    If you have discoloration on the base plate that appears to be some type of spillage, you have found your leak. I've found many modules with small cracks in the bottoms. One was even cracked in the groove where a temperature sensor was connected. Sometimes you'll see significant corrosion along the edges where the mounting screws attach to the modules. Sometimes you'll see evidence of some type of pooling only in the area under the modules. Only a few times have I actually seen dampness, usually it looks like a dried up puddle.

    And you can get pH test strips from any place that sells pool supplies, including Wally World.
    or just lick it....you'll know pretty quick...
     
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    I wouldn't lick it, ewwww
     
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    Gentlemen/ladies(?) thank you for sharing your collective wisdom and experience.

    JC91006, thank you. Will do. I didn’t pull the bus bars off to inspect. Just insured they were snug.

    Raytheeagel, thanks for the welcome. Torque specs? Ever read “how to keep your Volkswagen running forever?” I think it is refered to as “Sticks torque wrench.” I.e. my wrist’s guess I meter. I have just requested cells as close to voltage as mine as possible when purchasing. I have not charged or equalized them. The longest repair lasted a year. Shortest, 3months. The spillage is brown like cola (only on exterior of case—no evidence of internal leaks). Bus bars are clean (soaked them in vinegar/baking soda last time it was apart, 3 mos ago). No access to ph strips.

    TMRJWAP, thank you. The liquid is present on the exterior. Absent on the interior. Likely a spilled soda or something is my guess. Based on your experience advice, it looks like I need to investigate a bit deeper: take the pack apart and inspect each cell more diligently. Will do!
     
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    One cell leaked near bottom mounting bolt. Only visible from interior of case. Certainly enough to ground out.
     
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    Just checked the serial # on the cell. It is the one I replaced most recently. A local Toyota dealer will sell me a new pack for $1950, no warranty as I am not a certified Toyota guy or shop. I still have one good spare cell sitting around. Decisions....
     
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    I’d replace it but be mindful of the 48 inch pound torque.

    Bet that was the failure.
     
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    $1950 is a good deal, I would buy new. The Vegas heat has already destroyed that pack you have in the car
     
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    I can get it installed by a guy for $250. Because he is hybrid certified, Toyota would honor their warranty. If I install it, no warranty. Any Toyota hybrid packs die in 1st year?
     
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    I have had to fix such problems on two '05 Prii just within this week alone. It appears to me that its either this problem is common to the '05 Prii alone more.

    Have you tried clearing the codes and see if it comes back again? If you did, and it still returns, then you know the fault code(s) wasn't intermittent.

    The subcodes displayed pretty much has given you the lead.

    Symptoms:
    1. On the two Prii, the caution red triangle lights, VSC were lit on the dash
    2. Vehicles seems to be working "perfectly" according to the owners.

    At least the was AC system was chilling.
    For one of the Prii, it had a p0AA6 code, and whenever the car us turned off, you got to either clear the code or disconnect battery cable before it starts.

    On another of the Prii, it had only a p3009 code. This doesn't require battery disconnection for it to start up immediately after switching the car off.

    What I did;
    Cleared the codes, and drove a while to see if the codes would come back. Sure, they came back within 3miles of driving.

    Carried out some tests to determine if the fault was related to the transmission, compressor, HV battery pack, or even the HV cabling.

    In my case, obviously I had a 526 sub code, which pretty much narrowed down the isolation fault to the battery pack area.

    Diagnosis:
    1. Opened up the battery case after taking necessary safety precautions.

    2. Obviously, for the first Prii, there was visible electrolytic leaks on the modules.

    3. Gradually disassembled the pack by removing the modules gradually, to trace exactly which one the modules were leaking.

    4. Got my DVM, and started testing the modules OCV.

    It was surprising to me that all the voltages were still reading about 7.8blabla volts despite the ruptures.

    5. Identified #4 modules that had ruptures on the same sides of one of their cells.
    The leaks were just so much, that it flowed like a cup of coffee from a jug.

    6. Got so e modules from a donor Camry pack, discharged and recharged them, and finally performed same procedure on the battery pack, before installation.

    7. Both vehicles are back on the road right now, with the first, used for Uber and taxify, while the second, its driven as a personal car by the owner.

    8. Treated the corrosions on the bus bars, and the floor of the casings with lubrication oil, after washing off the corrosions from it.

    PS: Be very careful with the HV pack in such a fault.
    You could get electrocuted, of not putting on safety glooves.
    While I was carrying out voltage tests on the pack in the rear of one of the car, I was kinda feeling some sharp like or pin like feeling on my knees. At first I thought I was being g stung by something, or so. So, when I did take measurements, I realised I was getting about 100V, which was the feeling of sting I was receiving.

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    Regards,
    Dxta
     
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    Good job on repairing both those cars.

    Just a clarification: INF code 526 does not point to the HV battery, it is a general code that just means there is a Hybrid Battery Voltage System Isolation Fault somewhere in the hybrid control system. It is the other INF code (611, 612, 613 or 614) that pinpoints where to look specifically. In your case this would have been a 612 for which the trouble areas are:
    • HV battery assembly
    • Battery ECU
    • System main relay
    • System main resistor
    • Main battery cable
    • No. 2 main battery cable
    • Battery plug
    • No. 2 frame wire
    • Junction block
    Hope that helps.
     
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    No reports on PriusChat so far.

    1 year or 3 years, it is all pretty academic. There is no reason for a new replacement pack not to last at least as long as the factory fitted pack. The key is that the new pack has all new modules.
     
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    Thanks for the corrections.
     
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    Went with the new pack. Fingers crossed the rest of he car holds out for a while... Thanks for the guidance!
     
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    I think if you install it yourself you still get the warranty
     
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    The parts guy I bought it from said no. The guy I returned it to said yes. I'm looking forward to not needing it.
     
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    Install yourself, you won't need the warranty
     
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    The warranty is a moot point with a NEW battery from Toyota.
    I would expect it to last as long as the original one if not longer.

    Installing it yourself you get a 12month warranty.

    Make sure you clean the HV battery fan!
    You want proper airflow over the battery.
    You'd be surprised how clogged up it can get.
     
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