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P0A80 and U0100 errors on Project Lithium Pack

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by The Beast1, Jul 24, 2024.

  1. The Beast1

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    Morning gents,

    Wife complained of trouble lights on the car, checked it with my code reader and got P0A80 (hybrid battery error) and U0100 (can bus comm error).

    I cleared the codes and did some sort driving. Symptoms include the state of charge monitor going from full to 3/4 full and then skipping all of the way to zero.

    I replaced the volt sense wire harness no2 but kept the others. The ECU inside the hybrid pack did not have any noticeable corrosion nor did any other wires had that.

    I haven't had a chance to run Dr Prius or Torque pro against the car with my fancy bluetooth obd2 scanner yet.12v trunk battery shows 14v from the in-car diagnostic screen.

    My hunch given the symptoms are one or many of the following:
    1. Bad volt sense wire harness, either no 2 (was new in box) or the other two
    2. Bad hybrid ECU

    Before I run my more powerful scanners and rip the car apart, i'm curious if you guys have a third place for me to look at. The lithium blades were checked prior to install and all were in balance. I also replaced thehardware (bolts) I don't think the blades are bad but I will obviously check once the back is ripped apart.

    Anything else I should take into consideration? Much appreciated, thank you.

    Edit: apologies I posted this in the wrong sub. I'll request a mod to move it to troubleshooting.
     
  2. Brian1954

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    Look at the freeze frame data for the P0A80 code. What is the voltage difference between the highest and lowest battery blocks?

    I am guessing that one of the lithium blades is bad.
     
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    Open the HV battery computer and take a look at the bus bars that go from the receptacle to the green board You see one or two of them or caked with white crusty crap . Clean that all up with electrical contact cleaner the good stuff and then look throughout for other traces of corrosion bus bars nuts etc The white and green bluish patina forming on corners of battery modules and things like that.
     
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    I would think you'd be looking for similar things that you'd be looking for with the regular pack and after reading something about some of these lithium packs I'd have to have a look and then computer looking at the different modules to see if anything's getting hot running completely differently than other ones etc maybe talk to the guy who built the thing.
     
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    Others have already talked about the P0A80. As for the U0100 code, that's a communication problem between two ECUs in the car.

    One of the ECUs is the engine control module (ECM), because that's what the U0100 code means.

    The other ECU is whichever one is reporting the U0100 code.

    Here is where some scan tools are a lot more helpful than others. There are some scan tools that just plug into the diagnostic bus and shout "hey, who's got trouble codes?" and give you a big list of all the codes that come back.

    There are other scan tools that will break out that list by which ECU(s) reported which code(s), and you can see how that's especially important with any communication code, because that's how you know which two ECUs can't communicate with each other. One will be the one the code itself refers to, and the other is the one reporting the code.

    According to an old 2006 edition gen 2 repair manual floating around, the only two ECUs that can say "U0100" are the HV control ECU and the battery ECU, so it has to be one of those that's saying it can't communicate with the ECM. (For a 2009, though, it could still be worth looking in a current 2009 repair manual, as they could have added more ECUs that try to chat with the ECM. Or just use a good scan tool to be sure which ECU is saying U0100.)

    The "CAN COMMUNICATION SYSTEM" section in the repair manual can be helpful in troubleshooting the communication issue.
     
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    I think it's a bad lithium blade. Pic from Dr prius

    Note #10 and #5.

    When I had the car exposed for the lithium pack install, I checked the ECU for corrosion. None was seen both inside and out.

    I also replaced the no 2 wire harness but had to reuse the other 2 inside.

    I think my problem are two bad lithium blades. Not looking forward to disassembling my car but so be it.

    The SoC on the dash is all over the place. I'm wondering if a blade pillowed and everything is a jumbled mess now. Will be breaking into it tonight. Will keep y'all posted
     

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    Do you still have the old hybrid vehicle battery that you took out of the car?
     
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    Sadly that guy is long gone.

    Alright guys, I just got back after checking HV battery pack.
    All of the lithium packs have a nominal voltage of 16.77 volts across all terminals so positively, this isn't the problem.

    My attention is now back to the BMS. Is there a way to bench test these? I don't want to start throwing parts at it.
     
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    Post #2 suggested looking in the P0A80 freeze frame to see what the voltage readings were at the time the code was set. The BMS makes its health judgments dynamically, under load on the battery; you can't really second-guess it by poking around with a meter making static measurements.
     
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