Outrageous PG&E rate!

seems like a no brainer at those prices, if you have room.

check out tesla, i read they dropped their shorts on pv

 

That's criminal pricing...

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Someone told me that regulators just approved a rate hike. Sounds like our PG&E costs are only going to get higher!

Edit: added link.

California Regulators Approve $373M PG&E Rate Hike – FOX40

 

Sounds like it may be time to send a strong worded letter (email?) to CPUC: Complaints

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2019/05/02/pge-profits-shrink-due-to-costs-linked-to-wildfires-bankruptcy-case/amp/

Gotta pay the investors despite the lawsuits, only the homeowners loose

Even at 9.8 cents a kilowatt hour here it’s cheaper for me to run a natural gas generator for all electricity including depreciation and maintenance because natural gas is so cheap and the fixed fee is high.

Perhaps off grid solar with natural gas backup is now becoming not only fully economical but with a short payback in some areas

 

No natural gas here. Well there is, but only in the cities on the western side of the state. Propane is $4.25/gallon meaning WAY expensive.

Sounds like EV, though big in CA, is the expensive way to drive there.

I'm glad I don't have @Roy2001's usage. You are almost a full 1,000 kWhs a month higher than we are. Yep, sounds like you need more solar panels so you never have to buy anything from PG&E.

 

This is not directed at anyone. Just an overdue rant. It is my opinion, that while we purchase cars that save gas and modify our homes to save energy, the government, energy and oil companies lose money. So they tax more, increase prices and make it more difficult to be efficient. I didn't believe them when they said back in the 70's that we would be out of oil world wide by 1984. Bullcrap!! Freeking energy comes from the sky to us free. Just because a person has reached the point that they don't have to pay for electricity, we now have to raise rates so someone can "fall" into a so called "peak" category. I repeat, the energy from the sun is free. No one owns the energy coming to us from the sun.............and we, should we find a way to use free energy should not be penalized. Off my soapbox now.

 

Wow, I thought we are paying a high price at 20 cents/kWh any time of a day and year round, but your price is outrageous. I am planning to put PV on our roof this year, but unlike CA, we have shorter days and much less sunshine in our area. I don't think I can get entire household electricity needs including charging PRIME generated by PV alone.

 

More panels might even provide more shade on the roof, reducing AC needs.

Between having much of my south-facing roof covered with PV modules, set up as high as the brackets allowed for best ventilation, and improved attic venting from the simultaneous reroofing project, my attic runs far cooler than before. I also greatly improved the attic insulation (though more to prevent a repeat of the neighbor's burst fire sprinkler pipe in freezing weather -- same house builder at same time). These steps greatly reduced peak summer heat in the house, not that I usually need AC in this climate zone.

 

I’ve got Sun Power coming out mid month to price 4 more panels.

I saw the same thing and am trying to get ahead of it. Until the state regulates PG&E’s pay practices, rates will continue to rise.

I’ll be one that continues to plan to avoid their business .

 

And to think I average around 3200 kwh per month over a year......I no longer have room to complain

 

And my all-electric house is using just a bit of 5000 kWh per whole year, not month.

Gross, before subtracting out the PV production, which drops the net to zero.

 

With that big of a rate shift I'd be chilling a water tank at off-peak rates and then using it for cooling during the peak bump.

 

Or just get solar and pay $10 for the monthly hookup and then your insulated from their rate hike game.

That one time investment gets paid off after 7 years on average and is good for at least 25 years of PG&E rate games.

 

Not to start a debate, but while you're rightfully outraged, your initial premise is wrong. The government, energy and oil companies don't lose money because we're becoming more efficient. Their costs outpace their revenues due to multiple things, from objective and unavoidable to inefficiencies to deliberate f##kups and stupidity. But being basically monopolies, they can and do make consumers/taxpayers pay.

 

I guess that is the "up side" of outrageous grid prices. The price of solar isn't tied to the price of electricity so your payback is fast.

 

I see several CNG stations near you.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Alternative Fueling Station Locator

$2 or less per gge (same energy as a gallon of gasoline) is still WAY cheaper than your electric rate, decommissioned vehicle CNG tanks used for home heating are regulated differently and can be filled up at any of the stations in the list above no different than filling a tank for your bbq but cheaper and self service.