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Oil leaking onto the spark plug

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by malocascio, Dec 1, 2024 at 4:38 PM.

  1. malocascio

    malocascio New Member

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    Hi all,

    I've had a 2007 Prius since it was new, and it's been very reliable all these years. It has 137k miles on it, and from what I read here, it's possible to keep it going much longer.

    A little while ago I started noticing that it was burning oil. There was never an oil spot on the garage floor, yet I needed to add oil fairly frequently. From what I read online, that's somewhat common, but when the check engine light came on, I took it to a mechanic. He said the same, that it's fairly common for it to burn oil, and a spark plug was fouled with oil, so I got the cylinder misfire code. His take was that there's not much you can do without investing a lot more money.

    So, I kept an eye on it, and cylinder 1 is always the one misfiring (none of the others do). The spark plug in cylinder 1 is always fouled with oil, and recently I noticed that the bottom of the ignition coil in cylinder 1 also has oil on it. I figured that maybe the valve cover gasket was failing, so I replaced it. I also bought an endoscope so I can take a peek down there. Even after replacing the gasket and the spark plug again, there's still oil getting in there.

    I assume that if it's on the outside of the ignition coil boot, then the oil has to be coming from above, but maybe that's not true. I'm out of ideas, either way. Anything I could be overlooking? Any other thoughts? Thanks!
     
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    When you replaced the valve cover gasket, did you also replace all those big giant O-Rings that prevent oil in the valve cover from migrating into the spark plug / ignition coil holes? If you buy a valve cover gasket kit, all of that is included; but you don't know what you don't know....

    FWIW: your oil fouled spark plug in #1 is caused by, bad rings, scored cylinder wall, or leaky intake/exhaust valve guide seals. You can only validate scored cylinder wall with the endo-camera.
     
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  3. malocascio

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    Thanks for the insight!

    The gasket I bought was the kind that had the rings for the ignition coil holes attached to the outer part, so yes, those all got replaced and are properly seated.

    I don't have a lot of experience working on engines, and I'd love to understand this better. Can you explain how the valve seals, rings, or scored cylinder walls would cause oil to get on the other side of the spark plug? It seems like it would have to force its way through the threads of the spark plug, which may be possible with good compression, but I'm not certain.

    I know enough to know that it seems unlikely that an amateur can fix any of the three things you listed there...
     
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    Oil in the well on top of and around the spark plug comes from a leaking valve cover gasket. That could happen even though you replaced the seals if they were poorly made, like had flashing on them, or tore when installed.

    Oil inside the cylinder on the spark plug is coming up past the rings or through the intake valve. In the latter case that usually means there is a ton of oil in the intake. There is always some on this car, you can see it if you look down through the throttle, but the normal amount doesn't result in fouling of the plugs. Check the throttle body for oil, and the PCV. I suppose that a head gasket failure could also cause oil to leak into a cylinder. Oh, also the valve stem seals can leak. When that happens on a car it tends to smoke a little only at startup. The oil leaks in when the engine cools down. Since you normally don't pull the plugs until the motor has cooled some, which allows time for the leak to do its thing, that would allow them to be fouled with wet oil.
     
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    ^ oil burns from the rings and oil leaks from the vave cover down.

    If the plug was loose enough for oil to flow past its threads, you would also have low compression, a poorly running engine and some popping noises up close.

    Yes valve seals could also leak oil into the combustion chamber but worn rings are the norm. If you had someone replace the rings they would also replace the valve seals at the same time.

    These days gen2 engines are usually replaced rather than rebuilt. Or lived with as is until they totally fail (often from running iut if iil) or the cat clogs up.
     
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    I suppose that's possible. I bought a Fel-Pro gasket, and they seemed reputable. Also, I made sure to check the torque spec on the valve cover bolts.

    I did recently clean the throttle body, and there was not a noticeable amount of oil. I replaced the PCV too, because I had seen some discussion about how a clogged PCV could cause a similar problem.

    I have never noticed what I would consider "smoke." It looks like typical exhaust.

    This sounds like it's kind of a lost cause. Ouch.
     
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    Wouldn't hurt to get a compression test and/or leak down test. I suppose that it is possible for a head gasket to fail in such a way that it only leaks oil into one cylinder.

    Also, try swapping the coil pack from cylinder 1 with one of the other cylinders. It could be that the misfire is from a failing coil pack and the oil isn't actually the culprit for the misfire code. (Ditto for the injector, but that is enough of a PITA that it shouldn't be the first thing you try.)
     
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    Ah, yes, I forgot to mention that I did that. I rotated all of the coils by one cylinder. Didn't make a difference, it still always misfired on cylinder 1.