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Oil Change problems couldn't get oil filter Off! Suggestions? Please help!

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by ray G, Jun 13, 2016.

  1. ray G

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    I recently purchased a Gen 3 2010 Prius (trim II) and It's a blast! LOVE IT! I tried changing the oil for the first time on the car this evening but I couldn't for the life of me get the oil filter off. It seems like the previous owner last took it to Jiffy Lube :facepalm: and they either overtorqued it or maybe didn't even change the filter knowing that company. I tried many oil filter opening tools but nothing worked. I have been reading on here and other places that I need to purchase a oil filter wrench but I'm not sure which is the right one for the car as I'm getting mixed information. Questions:

    1. Is it (Picture A 64mm 14 flute wrench) or (Picture B 64.5mm 14 flute wrench) or even (Picture C 64mm 14 flute wrench that doesn't have extra prongs for the filter) I'm not sure which one to buy as some people on other threads have had trouble even with the tools at hand. Which should I get?

    2. I didn't want to put back the old oil in the Prius even though I didn't replace the filter so I put new Mobil 1 0W-20 full synthetic oil in it. Once I get the tool and hopefully replace the oil filter, should I dump this fairly new oil and just put it straight back in the engine or get another brand new jug of oil for the engine? I would like to save the $25 if possible but don't want to risk anything.

    3. Some people are telling me to just wait and don't do anything since I put new oil in the car (even without the filter), that I should just do my next oil change early like at 3,000 miles and do both then but I don't know if I'm comfortable with that. thoughts?

    4. What kind of oil filter are you guys using? Does it matter what brand you buy? I got a WIX oil filter but still have a chance to return it if you guys don't like it and there is a better one. I'm kind of cheap but If it makes a significant difference I'm all for it.

    Thanks for the reply's guys! It's nice to join the club!

    Picture A:
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    Picture B:
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    Picture C:
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    Type B would be best, IF the slots align with the raised ribs on the cartridge housing.

    I'd avoid anything made out of plastic or polymer.

    Type C should work as long as the filter housing isn't on super tight.

    Question, did you disengage the metal clip before you tried to remove the filter housing? Also, what where you using to remove the housing on your unsuccessful attempts?
     
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    If you're talking about the little metal piece that points towards the front of the car holding the filter like a safety pin, yes I did remove that piece with a pair of pliers before I tried removing the oil filter.

    Picture A is not plastic, It's aluminum based on amazons description, very sturdy, but I am unable to post links yet :( I wouldnt even think about using plastic stuff to open this stubborn thing.

    In my unsuccessful attempts I tried using a oil filter swivel wrench, 3 legged wrench, oil filter pliers, also tried channel lock with all my strength carefully so I didn't strip it but it was no use.

    Do you think the filter cap is 64mm or 64.5mm?
     
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    Shouldn't matter, we're talking about 0.5 mm after all.
     
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    True, It's very over-torqued I'm afraid to strip it though. The cover is made of plastic. the Picture C one is available at my local autozone, do you think it's worth a shot or just go with the other one with the prongs to help it along?
     
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    Well, theoretically, the one with the prongs would be less likely to damage the cartridge housing and able to transfer more torque.
     
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    Thanks for the help, I just purchased the one with the prongs you suggested. So when changing the filter, should I also change the new oil that i just added a couple days ago again or just drain it, change filter, and put the oil back in?
     
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    It's gonna get real messy if you try and put a new filter back on while almost 4.5 qts are draining.
    I'd personally let it drain and start over.
    But, you can try and get the new filter seated real fast and salvage some oil if you don't mind getting oil all over you and your cars underbits
     
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    Actually the oil filter is above the oil pan level. Others have changed the filter and then just topped off a small amount of oil that was lost in the filter.
     
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    Any of the oil filter tool shown works, 64mm and 64.5mm works on this oil filter housing, as for changing the oil filter and oil, you don't have to drain the oil to replace the oil filter. Just like any other vehicles, the oil filter will have only a little bit of oil in there when you remove it. The oil from the oil pan is just that, it's in the oil pan, it's impossible to drain all your oil from the oil filter, So just remove the oil filter housing and replace the oil filter.

    If you can't remove the oil filter housing with the oil filter tool, you can use a breaker bar for more leaverage to remove the over torqued filter housing.

    This is a simple solution, just don't over think it, or else it'll make your job harder than it is.
     
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    I don't think you'll need to drain the new oil. Just replace the filter and top up the oil to the required level on the dip stick. Run for a few minutes to check for leaks and then check the level again.
     
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    I don't think the prongs do anything but release the clip.
    I've used a standard strap type filer wrench. It was difficult but with the use of friction increasing tape it worked. I use type "C".
     
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    I'd drain the oil first. There could be some stuff in the bottom of the oil pan.
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    Filter the oil before putting it back in.
     
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    I'd suspect the face-to-face dimension of the all the filter sockets is somewhere between 64.0 and 64.5; it's likely just the descriptions that are varying. FWIW, I'm using a plain, heavy gauge, stamped steel Honda filter socket, they're the same size. Never had any problems, but then: I'm the only one that's torqued the filter housing, since the car left the factory.

    The torque spec, if you ever get it off lol, is 18 ft/lb. The drain bolt is 27 ft/lb. Toyota's composite material drain bolt washer tends to glue on to the oil pan; I'd suggest to back out the bolt a turn or two, then tap the washer loose with a screw driver blade and hammer.

    The metal tang at the side of the housing does squat; it will not impede removal of the housing in any way. As mentioned above, the oil filter is well above the pan: when you remove it only about 4 ounces will spill out.

    In your shoes, I'd get a decent steel socket, and bite the bullet: buy a spare oil filter housing from Toyota, for just in case. Use a good breaker wrench (wrench with a long handle, say 17"~19"). Wet the housing and dust it with pumice, to ensure the filter socket bites. Alternately, an impact wrench might work, to jar it so fast and hard it doesn't slip.
     
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    Everyone thanks you guys so much! This forum is the best! I purchased the tool and will probably have to use a breaker/cheater bar on it even with the tool. I will try replacing just the oil filter and forget about the new oil I put in the pan. A few days of driving won't hurt anything I guess without the new filter but I don't like the idea of the new oil mixing with all the sludge in the old oil filter. If anyone disagrees with this please let me know! :)
    Also, does anyone have suggestions on Oil Filter Types? I just have a generic WIX band one from O'reilly I was planning on using but if someone suggests something better for a reasonable price, I'll go get that!
    Thank you for the torque spec and the guide PDF. It's helpful for the future. I'll wait on the spare oil filter housing until after I hopefully get it off, but I should definitely check if they have it in stock just in case I need it. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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    exactly. there is just a minor loss of oil with filter replaced. i went through the same problem before i purchased a proper tool (on ebay) and ended up running the filter for 2 OCIs (20,000 miles). i posted about it here (with a picture). it was pure hwy driving in 3 months, otherwise i would not recommend it.

    now, regarding filter, OEM is the best and cheapest, too.
     
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    bad advice. this will end up contaminating the oil.
     
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    Oh wow 20k miles on one oil filter! My problem is I honestly don't think JiffyLube/previous owner replaced the oil filter on the car in the last oil change or two because of it being over-torqued so I can't risk doing that.

    Are OEM Filters really the best? I see that they are really cheap on amazon at $7 a piece which is awesome! and apparently even cheaper if you buy a 5 pack at $25! I love this car, I replaced full rear brakes and rotters with the caliper slide pins as they were rusted and dry all for under $100. Maintenance is very reasonable on these cars from my experience so far.
     
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    The OEM Toyota filters are very well made. They are nice. So nice I hated to put oil in them. ;) BTW, they burn up completely, leaving nothing, if you light the used one on fire. Outside, on something fire resistant! This is why Toyota has gone to the cartridge system.

    I have done the filter first (worried about if I could get it off so I didn't drain the oil first). As already stated, only the oil in the filter and filter housing came out. DO have a pan under it. While it isn't a lot of oil, it will be messy if you don't have a pan under it.

    I suspect the filter housing is just stuck, and will come off easily with the proper socket. Just use a "breaker bar" and slowly increase the torque until it starts to move. Slow and steady ensures the socket won't damage the housing. Do ensure you keep the force on the turning axis. The filter comes with a new "O" ring. I like to use grease on it and the threads of the housing, rather than oil, which may "dry up" between changes. I just tighten the housing until it bottoms on the engine. The "torque" isn't there to seal or hold it in place. The "O" ring does that.

    As far as "gunk" in the filter, if it's at the normal change interval, there is probably little in it. These are very clean engines.
     
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