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NHW11 Accelerator Rebuild

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Aug 12, 2010.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I just finished rebuilding another NHW11 accelerator and the following chart shows what happens to the encoder:
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    As returned, the low end of the accelerator resistance range shows great variability. The upper end is linear. Thanks to Doug's pioneering work, rebuilding restores the low end resistance range. Retensioning the pickup wipers works every time.

    This data suggests the low end resistance traces are worn down and certainly you can see metalized traces from the pickup arms. However, there is no evidence of trace wear in the resistance traces. In the half-dozen accelerators I've rebuilt, I keep looking for any wear material but I don't see it.

    I'm beginning to think there are two effects:

    • weak pickup arms - either they lose tension over time or were not tensioned enough when first assembled.
    • metal oxide development - the polished sheen suggests the pickup fingers are depositing a layer of metal, a metal film, that may oxidize into an insulating coating. The weak pickup arms are not strong enough to wipe the oxide off.
    I've gotten another failed accelerator so I'm thinking of using a whisker sensor to measure surface resistance across the resistance traces:
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    You can clearly see the three, metalized traces from the pickup arms on the resistance layers.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Do you have "Rebuild Instructions" posted anywhere?

    What are the symptoms one should look/feel for to indicate a rebuild would benefit the vehicle?

    Do you sell rebuilt units, with the exchange of the old one? One way to get more units for diagnosis....... hint, hint
     
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    Doug Schafer posted the instructions in the YahooGroup, "toyota-prius-sat2" in the files section.

    My standard terms are:

    • $250 - covers refurbished accelerator and core charge
    • $100 - refunded core charge when old accelerator returned
    After testing the returned accelerator, I swap it in my car to make sure it is working. When a new customer comes around, I send them the one in my car and wait a couple of weeks for them to return the failed one. Yes, I have some good accelerators including one from a North Carolina salvage as well my original one.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Very interesting that most of the bad readings come from the 'slow half' of accelerator travel. That's where the wipers spend most of their time for sure.

    Another way I diagnosed these was with a 1.5 volt battery, DC-blocking capacitor and headphones. Bad potentiometers sound, well, bad. Cleaned pots are silent. How much scratchy sound corresponds to poor system function remains unknown.

    Tex asked about symptoms, and those were originally described as 'big-hand syndrome'. It feels like some external force is slowing down the car, and mashing the accelerator pedal doesn't help. Sometimes it will trigger a P1120 DTC, but more often not.
     
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    In fact here is one of the earliest accelerators, before and after:
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    You can see how similar it is to this latest one:
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    It is an important symptom consistent with oxidized, metal traces. The test jig made it possible to quantify the effect:
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    After each accelerator encoder is repaired, I use the jig to confirm the fix. After all, the next place is my car for quality testing. <wink>

    On this last one, I took the encoder out and without touching the arm changed the resistance by pressing on the light gray cover. This let me know we are dealing with small dimensions and/or a coating between the pickup arms and the resistance traces.

    I still wiped down the resistance traces with alcohol but the swab came up clean, again. Some metal oxides are transparent so I'll have to figure out a chemical test. The whisker probe may give a clue.

    From a typical material data sheets for contact cleaners list:

    • Decafluoropentane (HFC-43-10mee)
    • Methyl nonafluoroisobutyl ether
    • Methyl nonafluorobutyl ether
    • 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane (HFC-134a)
    Mostly these look like organic solvents and alcohols. So I suspect they are really used to remove finger prints rather than metal oxide deposits. Please double check a set of the material data sheets for these contact cleaners but this is how I see them. This is one of those times I wish I had my Dad's old microscope.

    It may be possible to rig up a 'clamp' (call it a gadget made of deformed washers, model plywood, machine screws and nuts) to hold the cover on the housing. If it works, we should be able to:

    1. test the encoder, baseline
    2. remove cover
    3. replace the cover
    4. retest encoder and get similar to baseline values
    5. one-by-one, retension the pickup arms and six base contacts
    The more we understand about the failure mechanism(s), the better we'll be able to validate the fix.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Bob - you do me a world of good - just to see the integrity/authenticity of your investigation. I have 150,000 mi on my 2001 Prius. Have lived with accelerator problems for say 10 years I have done a Doug Shafer rebuild twice and a dewhiskering twice - alas neither has show any benefit. About 40% of the time I start the car - it runs good and then quits. Turning the key starts traction battery but not the gasoline engine --- then two or three stomps on the accelerator and the gas motor starts and the car runs good until I turn the car off. (On trips over 100 miles sometimes the warning lights come on but the gasoline engine continues to function.

    What a puzzle - why do the accelerator stomps fix the problem?

    And to repeat - seeing your continued work and interest is heartening.

    MIke