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  1. Gokhan

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    Good news indeed!

    The AutoPilot level of Rivian and its excessive electric consumption led me to cancel my test drive. Since December, Full Self Driving (FSD) has become my choice even for City driving. AutoPilot is adequate but FSD is so much better since September.

    Tesla has three main computers:
    • Supervisor - operates the screen, downloads, and nominal user comfort systems.
      • This one can be reset while driving: screen goes dark, music pause, cabin heat/cool pause
    • Dual drive units - operates the car and driver assistance. If one fails, the second takes over.
    There are smaller, peripheral computers but they are networked and run Tesla software.

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    Good to see Toyota following Tesla's lead via Nvidia chipsets! Additionally & tho some think otherwise - & imo it'd still be great to see all systems/all manufacturers using LiDAR as well.
     
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    i wish i had bought nvidia instead of broadcom
     
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    Of course, by any normal definition of a supercomputer, this chip is not one. Supercomputers, generally, are whatever compute you can fit in a building the size of a basketball court of bigger, not a chip that goes in a car.
    But whatever...nearly everyone is using the Nvidia chips in the big (super) computers in giant server farms to do the "training."

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    Tesla dumped the Nvidia chips that go in their cars 4-5 years ago in favor of their own neural net hardware.
    So, Toyota is not following what Tesla has done, IMO.
    They are only using Nvidia chips in their big data centers (for training)

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    It is far beyond Tesla’s Level 2 FSD. It is Level 4 autonomous driving.

    “Toyota, the world’s largest automaker, will build its next-generation vehicles on NVIDIA DRIVE AGX Orin™, running the safety-certified NVIDIA DriveOS operating system. These vehicles will offer functionally safe, advanced driving assistance capabilities.”

    DRIVE AGX autonomous-vehicle development platform | NVIDIA developer

    DRIVE AGX Orin sensors & accessories | NVIDIA developer
     
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    They haven't shut down ties, although that may be in the future, but of last month from what Yahoo reports Musk is still shoveling money to Nvidia

    Elon Musk Just Gave Nvidia Investors 1 Billion Reasons to Cheer

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    He's using their chips for AI programs at his companies. They might be used on the server side of FSD, but they aren't used in the hardware on the car.
     
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    My understanding is the custom chip and systems for AI learning did not come online as fast as hoped. So a bunch of NVIDA chips were ordered, fall back. To the best of my knowledge, not for cars in production.

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    I use Munro Associates YouTube reviews for what is in the car.

    The NVIDA alternative, the Tesla DoJo chip, is in early deliveries and integration. Before DoJo, NVIDA chips are (have been) used to classify AI learning in Tesla data centers.

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    Meh, I am glad that Toyota has adopted NVIDIA.

    Google AI:

    Multiple companies manufacture chips for Tesla, including Samsung, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), and Tesla itself:
    • Samsung
      Samsung manufactures the chips for Tesla's Autopilot feature, including the Hardware 4 (HW4) and Hardware 5 (HW 5.0) chips. Samsung also made earlier versions of FSD chips for Tesla's Model 3, Model 5, Model X, and Model Y.
    • TSMC
      TSMC manufactures the D1 chip for Tesla's Dojo supercomputer, as well as the next-generation Dojo training modules. The D1 chip is a custom application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) designed by Tesla.
    • Tesla
      Tesla has hinted that it could potentially make its own chips in the future. Tesla also designed the D1 chip for the Dojo supercomputer.