Next Gen PHV --> AER vs. MPG?

I wouldn't mind a non plug-in, except with, say twice, the battery capacity. I live in a hilly area and the battery is always overfull. This would also allow a bit of extra eboost at lower speeds.

 

NS4 concept car was a dedicated PHV so it could be either way.

Gas mileage is supposed to increase by 10% so EV efficiency should as well.

With $2.50 gas/gallon and 18 cents/kWh, fuel costs are about the same. Emission is lower with electricity (in my region based on my driving) but bigger battery premium cannot be paid back with gas prices this low.

I am getting 60% EV ratio so I have no need for more EV range as bigger battery can add weight, space, cost and affect gas mileage. I consider 50:50 a balanced ratio and any significant bias towards either would end up being not optimum.

I need a spare tire as PiP is our only family car. I'd rather have a spare than more range.

The wireless charger should be standard on package with Smart Key System to get the true convenience.

I voted for the bottom option.

 

I don't do a lot of long trips anymore, so I want as much AER as possible. In Houston, anything less than 30 miles AER is pretty useless. Running errands on the weekend easily takes 25 miles. If it were 50 miles AER, I could at least visit my bro in the burbs and get back without plugging in. If it were 100+, I could run down to Galveston and back. Give me 200 miles AER, and I can get all the way to San Antonio or Austin! As a plus, all my electricity is wind generated (I pay about a penny more per kwh to guarantee all wind).

 

Toyota has lost it. For example the Mitsubishi Outlamder PHEV has 50 km or more EV range, AWD and towing capability. It's a success in Sweden. Toyota sells virtually none Prius PHV. There was quite a few sold the first year but now the sales has crawled to nothing. Insensitivity of market demands has caused this. Toyota had all the possibilities to sale for example the RAV4 with a plug or a Highlander with a plug. It would have made all the difference. I would have liked a Prius Phv a year ago or two bit Toyota was quickly overtaken by other brands with better plugins and diesels with far better MPG and better practical applications.

 

I think Toyota makes sure EV miles are as clean as the gas miles, not just in certain states but weighted electricity available worldwide.

The class leading 50-60 MPG gas engine is what is preventing them from adding more EV miles. That's Prius - affordable, practical, efficient and clean.

It may make sense to introduce another model for plugin where low emission isn't a priority and add more EV miles. If people are turning the blind eyes on low emission and want more EV miles, they should introduce another model.

 

As I said in the other thread, I strongly feel that an AER that allows the user to meet the largest percentage of their typical commute is the best deal.

This may be one of the reasons I have so little trouble with the idea of different brands being the best option for different people.

If you have a more chaotic driving pattern, mpg becomes much more important.
My wife's and my driving patterns fluctuate a lot within a range of 8-75 miles per day. But 90% of the time we are within than band, so a 80 mile range was preferable. We have infrastructure in place along all the longer trips we have taken, so BEVs work great for us.

One needs to consider their driving patterns and reasons for wanting to use less gasoline when considering a plugin.

All that said, I think Toyota will find a 20 mile AER will appeal to a much larger portion of the market. I also hope they will base it off the Gen4 when the next gen comes out. It was disappointing that the RAV4ev didn't use the newest RAV4 as a base.

 

whatever it takes to put more fannie's in the seats. i voted for #2 though.

 

right, they're probably teetering on bankruptcy. the outlander will be the next big thing in the u.s of a.

 

Outlander is the best selling Plugin hybrid outside US according to stats.

 

i don't doubt your veracity. but that doesn't prove that 'toyota has lost it'. look at the best selling cars in the us.

 

To clarify. I meant lost it as in lost the plugin competition. Nothing else. They make superb cars in many respects.

 

oh, right. well, i wouldn't say lost it yet. let's see what gen IV brings. right now, it's just the leaf and the volt. you could be right though, at least until the fcev money runs out.

 

^The sooner that happens (FCEV money runs out), the better, IMO!

 

Ready to sign up for 15-20 ev/60 hv with a spare,

 

29kWh/100mi EV efficiency is rated with both City and Highway cycles. If you use EV for City and gas for highway, the numbers are different. Too bad EPA does not test PHEV that way.

I use that strategy and I get 135-140 MPGe on EV. The gas mileages does not dip either.

 

I voted for the second. The pip competes with the volt whether ppl like it or not.

What the prius stands for me is efficiency. If you can get more miles per kwh then I'd be happy with the same battery. Ie. Instead of 11 mIles ev it could be 15 with the same battery. How amazing would that be?

Add super capacitor and increase efficiency in charging then you got a winner when gad prices go low and electric go high or vice versa.

We have solar so our effective cost is much lower than others. This winter it's like we are getting charged 5 cents per kwh versus 16

 

Inferno, wouldn't #3 be a better choice for you?

15-25 EV miles and 60 MPG gas. The balance that gets the most out of each fuel.

I agree with your point and most people overlooked. If gas price gets any lower, EV miles will cost more for me, despite using EV for lower city speeds.

With a balanced fuel efficiency design, I can choose to not charge it.

 

I chose the 1st option, more EV range and the same mpg.

Because around 45-55mpg you hit a point of diminishing returns. The annual fuel cost difference between 50mpg and 55mpg is quite small for the average driver. Better to have more EV range for driving pleasure and reduced point source emissions.

 

Same for the rest of the West Coast. Less than 30 miles just doesn't cut it. City design is just too spread out for short range EV.