1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Need Help ID-ing internal engine debris

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by cnttxmdc, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. cnttxmdc

    cnttxmdc Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2018
    5
    0
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    ----USA----
    Hello! For several years this page has been invaluable to me, so thanks for that! Whatever questions I’ve had have already been asked and answered, so I’ve just been lurking around soaking up info.

    I’ve got something that has me stumped now…

    I have a 2005 Gen 2 that has an engine clatter at idle. When you bring up the revs it gets quiet and almost goes away. The oil had some flakes in it so I pulled the pan. Inside I found the piece shown in the photo. It is ferrous. I don’t recognize what it is from. Does anyone else?

    I fully understand there may be other damage inside, but if I can temporarily get it running that’s what I need to do. I’m currently searching for a cheap used engine, but if I can isolate which piece/bearing/part is causing the issue, it’ll hold me over for a bit.

    There isn’t anything obvious from the limited view of the crankshaft/rods, or from pulling the valve cover.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. PriusCamper

    PriusCamper Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2012
    11,330
    4,614
    0
    Location:
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Hmmm... Hard to tell because it's so beat up... If I had to guess it's some kind of small plate that holds something in place and not a major chunk of a more primary part, but that probably doesn't help much. Did you find anything of note in the sludge that would indicate something was ground up into a powder, or just this piece rattling around in there?

    Also did you isolate the noise at idle to the oil pan, or elsewhere?
     
  3. cnttxmdc

    cnttxmdc Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2018
    5
    0
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    ----USA----
    There was some “glitter” in the oil pan.
    There was also a speck of something like this piece on the # 3 connecting rod cap. At this point that’s what I’m leaning toward this issue being.

    I can’t isolate the noise at idle. I only have hearing left on one side, which means I can’t differentiate where a sound is coming from. It’s pretty funny to watch me try to spot a plane in the sky or pick out who in a crowd is speaking if I can’t see their lips!

    I’ve buttoned it all back up for now so I could move it out of the shop. I have a camper with a bum roof that needed the shop space more than the Prius.

    If it is a rod bearing I’m torn between tearing it down to do a spot repair (just fixing what’s broken), selling it as-is, holding onto it until I can find a cheap engine, or parting it out.
     
  4. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    10,096
    4,817
    0
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Typically any engine damage we see has been caused by running the engine out of oil. Based on how many pistons have come off the rod and went through the block its usually upper rod wrist pin failure first then I woukd assume moving on to main bearing failure,

    See how loose the connecting rods are to the pistons.
     
    SFO likes this.
  5. 05PreeUs

    05PreeUs Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2016
    1,097
    563
    0
    Location:
    MSP
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    My guess is Valve Spring.
     
  6. Skibob

    Skibob Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2018
    2,912
    1,497
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Valve spring? If we are going to guess I’m going with timing chain guide.