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Modify a Prius for Towing?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by RobH, Jan 26, 2010.

  1. RobH

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    I'm interested in towing a 1500 pound Teardrop style trailer on vacations.

    The range of opinion on towing with a Prius goes from "No way" to "I've pulled a 1700 pound trailer over 15,000 miles with no problems". So let me acknowledge as a start that the official position of Toyota is that the Prius is not designed for towing. They would rather I purchase one of their larger vehicles. So much for CUA and "you really need the more expensive ...". It's my car, I think it's legal, so what would it take to make it work?

    Obviously the first item is a hitch. There are a variety of hitches, most with 1 1/4" connectors. For towing purposes, is there any reason to choose a 1 1/4" unit versus a 2" unit? The lowest rating of hitches is class 1, which covers up to 2000 pound trailers.

    Among the accessories that hitch websites mention are transmission radiators. If a big vehicle designed for towing needs extra transmission cooling, then a smaller vehicle pushing its limits certainly needs something like this. My first cut idea is to install a small radiator in front of the existing radiators, connect plumbing from the drainplug to an electric pump, on to the radiator. Return line goes to the fill plug on the transmission. There may be some way to connect the plumbing to the transmission oil pump cover, but that needs some more research.

    A Scangauge can be used to monitor engine water temperature, and I think MG1/MG2 temperatures are available on the CAN. Transmission oil temperature is not available, and I think that is an important value to watch.

    The Prius engine/electric power is adequate to tow a small trailer everywhere except up extended hills. When the traction battery is run too low, the gas engine can only drive the car about 45 mph up an extended hill. I could just live with that limitation and join the trucks in the right lane on extended climbs. Or maybe I could add more battery. The cheapest extra battery would seem to be an ordinary used Prius unit from a junkyard. This wouldn't be for use as an EV, but for extra capacity on extended uphill towing.

    The brakes don't seem to be a problem. The trailer I have in mind has its own brakes that automatically apply when some sensor determines that the car is braking. So the trailer would seem to require some small additional braking on the part of the car, but not much.

    So what do you all think about this? What have I missed? What's going to break first?
     
  2. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Probably the most important thing is to use Scangauge to monitor temperatures. If you keep those in line you are going to be okay. That will also let you see if there is any area where you need improved cooling.

    Galaxee and her DH towed a large cargo trailer when they moved. She posted some information about it, but you might want to PM her for the details.

    Tom
     
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    I agree that watching the temperatures is the first order of business. I know the MG1/MG2 temperatures are available to a Techstream, but I haven't found any Xgauges for them. The one I'd really like to have is transmission oil temperature, and that doesn't seem to be collected. That and a positive indication that the inverter coolant pump is functioning.

    But all measuring can do is to tell me when I've pushed it too far. That's sort of my starting assumption, and the real project is to add more cooling.
     
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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    Not legal in Australia and I don't know the rules in the USA so i shall refrain from further comment.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Laws in the U.S. don't deal with this. You can slap a hitch on anything and try to tow whatever, as long as you stay within the road load limits.

    Most likely you will run afoul the law if your towing attempt fails and causes an accident, but by then it's too late. The risk of liability and lawsuits will prevent some rental places from giving you a trailer if your car is under rated, but that doesn't keep you from buying one or borrowing it from a friend.

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    " I'm interested in towing a 1500 pound Teardrop style trailer on vacations.

    The range of opinion on towing with a Prius goes from "No way" to "I've pulled a 1700 pound trailer over 15,000 miles with no problems"."

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    I can't say either way whether the Prius should pull a trailer, but know that there is a group on Yahoo called "priustrailers".

    The site's description is: "Description: Created for anyone and everyone, world-wide, who has either already taught their Prius to tow a trailer or would like to exchange ideas, experiences, opinions and how-to"

    You might want to view that group's posts and files given its sole dedication to having the Prius pull a trailer. I haven't gone through its content, but it makes sense that someone there has pulled a trailer and monitored effects on a Scanguage etc. It also may have recommendations on which trailers and hitches are better than others.