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  1. bwilson4web

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    A State Court ordered appearance on Thursday was not attended by Musk with the excuse, "We are taking this to Federal Court. Friday, the Federal judge denied the claim and remanded it to the original court. This sounds like Contempt of Court which has a wide range of punishments.

    Now if you have a defendant who is reported to be very wealthy, a fine is not going to do it. This leads two options: (1) stern talking to, or (2) immediate confinement until the case is resolved and/or; (3) a substantial bail ... perhaps a significant amount of Musk's TSLA voting stock. The purpose of bail is to ensure attendance at court proceedings and holding TSLA voting stock from the defendant would most likely work.

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    Without a link it's hard to say what's going on. Typically when you take something to Federal Court it puts us stay on the state (calif?) court. But since all the businesses of Tesla, boring company, solar, spacex, Twitter X whatever are incorporated, the legal decisions are not controlled by a solo decision of Musk.
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    What was the reason, the million dollar give-aways?
     
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    i have read that people with enough money can outlast the government, even the irs
     
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    With no link, had to do a bit of research to see who is doing what to whom. I guess it's the little Podunk judge in the lovely town of philly. Leftist judge, leftist attorney, wanting to garner some lawfare points with their lovely City of Brotherly Love constituents.
    (murder rate surpassed only by Chicago)
    Apparently this is the case dealing with musk giving away a million bucks a day?
    Musk sought removal to federal court & they kicked it back?
    Musk still has the option to seek review by the federal court of appeals. Ultimately the legal wrangling will take it past election day so it's kind of a moot point.
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    In the Marines, we used to say “Payback is a MILF.”

    We live in interesting times.

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    It's about how that runs afoul of state lottery laws, including not having clear rules for it.
     
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    ^ That and there's no audit trail. How does anyone know it's actually a fair lottery or a disguised payout (ie. hush money). What's going to force him to pay up - after the fact - He already got his headlines...

    Food for thought; I wonder how many X accounts are actually from Russian troll farms. That's what drives ad revenues to keep the lights on. Seems strange that he's getting calls from Putin when Putin has a bunch of his own oligarchs to do his bidding around the world for him. It kinda makes sense when you think about how Space X was able to leap-frog NASA on a shoe-string budget. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - In today's climate; It probably not a duck.:(:oops::sleep: It's an alternative fact and I saw it on the internet - so it must be true!!

    Just my two cents.
     
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    Clever:

    The common pleas court judge Angelo Foglietta – ruling after Musk’s lawyers said the winners are not chosen by chance – did not immediately give a reason for the ruling.

    The Philadelphia district attorney, Larry Krasner, had called the sweepstakes a scam that violated state election law and asked that it be shut down.

    Earlier, an attorney for the billionaire told the court that Musk’s pro-Trump group did not choose the winners of its $1m-a-day giveaway to registered voters at random, but instead picked people who would be good spokespeople for its agenda.

    Musk’s lawyer Chris Gober was trying to persuade the judge that the giveaway was not an “illegal lottery”, as Krasner alleged in a lawsuit seeking to block the contest in advance of Tuesday’s US presidential election.

    “There is no prize to be won, instead recipients must fulfill contractual obligations to serve as a spokesperson for the Pac,” Gober said in the hearing before Foglietta.

    He was hiring employees, not a lottery.

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    So those were hired actors, not chosen at random, holding up fake million dollar checks in a fake sweepstakes/lottery, and the audience is the American Voters...Nice.... Sounds like a certain party is generating a lot of fake news and alternative facts; so they can claim another rigged election. :(:mad::eek::oops::sleep:
     
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    My work experience is when management lies, the corporation will suffer. The people they need will find better employers.

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    So DJT is going to gut the non-political employees in the Federal Government. And what will that do to expertise? Of course replace with politicians. Seen that before. My father was "retired" by Nixon.

    You need young energetic people coming into the system every year and seeing that public service is rewarding and they can do good things without being political hacks. The alternative is rule by oligarchs and willful ignorance.

    I never worked for the federal government (I don't count the military duty.) but I worked with dozens of agencies over my career and respected most of those I encountered.
     
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    my brother in law is a mass state bank examiner. he said they are struggling to bring in young employees as the disparity between the pay and private sector grows every year
     
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    I left the Marines because of their atrocious personnel assignment practices. Revenge postings like when I checked in and they asked who are you and why are you here?

    I’m your new computer operator.

    We don’t need another operator. You’ll work the input output desk.

    At that point I started my ‘anti-career planning.’

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    That's part of the reason I took early retirement.. Notified everyone up to the CEO; I'd figured that everything would "blow-up" within 6 months of me leaving. I was off by 4 months, Directors was calling me at home - Told them sorry; I can't un-retiree without losing my pension benefits - the rules are very clear on that. It was a quasi-state agency. Third department manager in 3 years....... I wouldn't take the job because they wouldn't let me have the power to fix the issues - so I would've ended up like the three past managers.....

    Yes, almost as bad as teacher's pay - unfortunately only the bottom of the barrel end up applying. In my state, you can barely pay rent and have to group share expenses to get by. That's why there's a lack of enforcement.

    Just my experience and two cents...
     
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    Hiring should be done strictly by seeking the most qualified. PERIOD

    well - thank you captain obvious.

    Problem is - when you have government sponsoring less talent - by showing off its virtue signaling it ends up resulting in hiring every yayhoo that checks off most kinds of gender &/or race box ... .guess what you end up with.

    FwcXc7FWAAELBOs-1660714737.jpg

    Chances are they might just be a klepto stealing women's clothing at the airport carousel. Integrity, character, moral values be damned.
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    I think the highest ratio I ever achieved was 20 people quickly hired after I left. Haven't ever come close to that one since.

    That was at a small firm where the boss wouldn't stop bidding on work that was technically interesting but beyond our actual competence at the time. We'd end up learning on the client's nickel, and sometimes it worked out ok, and the boss's reasoning whenever we pushed back was along the lines of "everybody does it; we're small; we can't afford to just get training or hire people with new skills before we bid the job...."

    He was going to bid on one job that was such a stretch beyond our capacity that I wrote him a letter saying I would be totally psyched to work on such a technically interesting project—if there were more of us and we were better prepared—but as things stood if he made a bid and we won the job I'd be moving on before seeing how it turned out.

    Well, he did put in a bid, and we came in low bid by a lot, so we won the job. I did run into some old colleagues a few years later and ask how it went, and was told (a) suddenly it was no longer out of the question to hire a bunch more people with the new skills, and (b) even so, they were still mired in litigation from the client over that job.

    I left a later job to go to grad school, and was getting pretty regular calls for help my first semester or so.

    I checked in with those colleagues several years later too, and heard a story that made me feel pretty lucky.

    While I was there, I had built an in-house extension to our public records access system so that it could even show you records from before we ever used that software; it just merged in the stuff we had independently digitized in other formats going back to 1932 or so. But the person who'd been hired to replace me was faced with installing an update to the public access software, and he'd said it'd be way too hard to figure out my homegrown stuff and keep it working after the update.

    Well, it happened someone who was basically my counterpart in another district was visiting one day, and heard about that, and said "mind if I take a look?", and then said "I dun᠎no, this stuff Chap left seems pretty straightforward and he left a lot of documentation", and changed his travel plans to go back the next morning, and it was all working again when he left. If not for him, it'd probably have gone down the drain.
     
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    Yep, when I left; there was 3 people with equivalent training including official OEM service training. At least on paper; which is all that management cared about. A half dozen fully functioning backup units and a fully stocked rack of common failure parts and assemblies ready to go - if WW3 was to break-out. I'm not kidding; that's why I gave them 6 months.
    One of them I could trust, but was very slow. The other two just collected certifications and couldn't troubleshoot themselves out of a paper bag; but they always somehow had managements' ear... They've offered me a consulting gig, but I'll have to deal with those two lickspittles that'll blame me for the sun rising in the morning and setting in the afternoon. Heard one of them recently got caught falsifying maintenance records. It'll probably get swept under the rug.:whistle::(:cry: I've seen it done before.
    I'm thinking about taking the money and run; but I don't think my conscience will let me get away with that. I don't need the grief or ulcers. Several OEM manufacturers has expressed interest in me consulting for them next fiscal. They wanted to hire me on, full time for major projects, but I told them I'm only interested in part-time gigs - I just got off the hamster wheel... Not looking to jump back on, but I may have to if egg prices don't start stabilizing.:p:ROFLMAO::sleep:

    Just kidding, I've got plenty of cushion and can apply for SSI in a few years.... Backup plan is to retire in Thailand. :D:p:LOL::ROFLMAO:o_O I did a lot of international volunteer work and liked a lot of those places I visited. If I get really bored, I could always move and hang a shingle over there and startup my own program. Our safety was always guaranteed by some mid to upper level government bureaucrat.
     
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    My rule of thumb:
    • buy stock in companies that hire me
    • sell stock when I leave
    So far, worked pretty good.

    Bob Wilson
     
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