Men superior to women?

I don't quite know where to start shooting...

Someone else can do it.

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WOW! 500 posts? Holy crap!

OK. Know what? I was raised with the values Schmika extols here. And while I don't agree with everything here, the idea seems logical to me. There's a reason why Mothers Day is so popular....... If you miss it, you're in a heap-o-trouble.......

 

I believe that as in your early experience with African Americans, you can not put all women or all men into one group.

I am a single parent. I am not religious but I am spiritual. I am thankful for a beautiful sunrise and I try to treat others with respect. My daughter is well adjusted. She put herself through school and is well loved by all who meet her. I had a part in that because I taught her when she was young to appreciate life. We read and played together. Because I was a nurse and made fairly good money I had time to be with my child and involved.

People these days have lost accountability. We can be nasty to each other on the freeway cause we may never see that person face to face. We are busy making money to buy the "things" that fill our houses and clog or minds. We allow our children to spend more and more time in front of the TV, Video and Games fill their days. Games that depict violence, death, rape. In America nearly every show is about murder, war yet the censors have a cow if there is two people making love on the screen.

The only way our society can improve is by localizing our communities. By being involved in those we pass. How many of us know what the circumstances of that person sleeping in the park every night are?? How many individuals are involved with charities or non-profit organizations.

Women are, as a rule, less likely to settle these days, at least the educated ones. I am alone by choice but I am not lonely. I have many friends and activities. Intimacy is nice but I am not willing to give up my self confidence and self respect for it.

 

1. Schmika, you're a brave guy, a masochist, or both. But you knew that. :lol:

2. My favorite subject; been developing my own construct since I turned 15. So you'll have at least my company on this, if no one else's. But between us, one or the other will be construed as so outrageous that, like malorn, responses will be provoked.

3. I think I know "where you're coming from", based on previous posts you've made, especially on the ID thread. That does NOT mean I reject all of what you say out of hand because I think you're a religious nut. You've put some thought into it, and I agree with parts of your PREMISE and parts of your CONCLUSION.

4. Some of your construct seems identical or similar to that of the "Promise Keepers", which I'm sure you're aware of. That's why I excerpted the chunk that I did: I'll start at the end and work back, disagreeing first that "men [alone] are not going to fix this" and that the burden is more on women. That's too easy. I think anything that needs fixing will be done MUTUALLY, if not "equally". Heh.

I'll stop there for a bit to see if others are going to bite.

 

I agree with Jack that fixing must be a mutual thing. I really believe that we (collective females) have gotten ourselves into a bit of a bind. We have given up expecting men to treat us well. And although I certainly do not want to be on a pedestal I do want to be respected. I want an equal.

I believe that it is OK for a guy to open a door for a woman and to help me change my tire (although I can do it myself). And I think it is OK for the woman to pay for dinner and work on the car, if she is good at it.

Religion and education are two of the most defining factors in our lives. It can be either/or and it can be both of these things that cause a person to develope in any specific mind set. Can we fix things if there are so many who do not have either of these in their lives??

 

Uh.

Okay. To be honest I do think I am superior to some men; some women too.

Why is it men go to Home Depot knowing they're going to buy fence boards and instead of planning ahead and bringing work gloves (like I do) instead they wince, grunt and pick splinters out of their bare hands while they're choosing boards?

I have an above average IQ. I have a high school diploma, bachelors degree and masters degree and two teaching credentials. I'm working on a third credential and second masters degree. So I think I can justify feeling a little superior to a few people. Especially if they're behaving stupid or rude.

There are some areas in which I feel women are superior.

Because of our physiology women can tolerate pain better then men. We are also better at multi-tasking.

In the early days of anesthesiology, a lot of men would go under the knife and stay there. Turns out men breath deeper than women and were being given too much ether.

Men climb ladders better. It's the construction of the pelvis/hips. However, the very thing that makes it difficult for women to climb ladders and stairs gives us that lovely swing when we walk.

I do agree that our society has spent a lot of time and worked very hard to make women an inferior social class. Witness how long it took for women to attain the right to vote. And I would like to insert a short rant now regarding the title to my house. The papers that were mailed to me were addressed to XXX, A SINGLE WOMAN. Gee, thank you so very much for announcing to everyone that a single woman lives in this house. I'll bet any amount you like that if Joe Blow had bought a house the title wouldn't say "Joe Blow, a single man".

I've also thought that if aliens came down from outer space to study us they might think that men and women were totally different species living in a symbiotic relationship.

And there really is no answer to this post.

 

I think you have it there. We are never going to be the same and we are barely making it living together. I love Home Depot!! Got to get out of here though cause the weather in SD is incredible!!

 

I believe that the widespread availability of effective birth control was a major factor for the change in women's socio-economic status. You need to work that in there somewhere.

Also, I assume you are thinking of western societies, specifically the USA? Much of your thinking does not hold up in Islam society, for example.

You write very logically, clearly and effectlvely. It is a pleasure to read such a well written post.

 

I've always thought about it this way. Say all the smart people (IQ above 100 for arguments sake) decided to wipe out the dumb people. *Poof*. Half of the folks gone. The remaining folks that it was a good idea and they do it again. and again. and again.. I'd make it a few rounds, and then I'd be gone. Then I imagine that IQ wasn't the measure but something else was (strength, color, wealth, skills need for certain century, etc.). Sometimes I get wiped out immediately, sometimes I make it longer. Then I go to sleep.

 

I got through the first 2 paragraphs. Yep, don't have to come back and read this one anymore!

 

Actally, the deed to the property my husband and I just bought refers to the seller as "John Doe, a single man." So at least in Maricopa County, Arizona, men and women are equal on county documents.

(Not really John Doe, but I didn't figure it nice to put somebodys name on a forum without permission.)

 

One word:

Liberalism



I see it this way:

Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses in various areas regardless of race, color, creed, sex, sexual orientation, etc. Simple as that.

 

Depends on where the education comes from. Religion is unreliable on this score; many religions believe women are unequal/inferior to men in more than one way, including holding high church positions. Some actively promote that women should be subservient to men (e.g., Mormons, several stripes of Baptists, Catholics to some degree).

So if there's no religion, where does the education come from? Public schools? (Home ec? Health?) If not there, where?

 

Yeah, there is, at least this relatively casual observation: My wife and daughters are Asian, thin-hipped, with relatively thin butts. They don't have any "lovely swing".

I think you should examine where you get your images of beauty. Sounds like an adaptation of men's sexism.

 

Liberalism? Bulls**t. All smart people, liberals and conservative alike would agree with the follow-up statement.

Conservatives TEND to believe in universal equality LESS, but I won't tar them with that generalization. (See: most churches---not hotbeds of liberalism---most Southern Republicans, Phyllis Schlafly and the right-wing female wackos, Ann Coulter...want more? )

 

Outstanding, bigdaddy. A wonderful model of awareness.

 

I just couldn't summarize my reaction concisely.

Look, I disagree because I just do not buy that one gender is better than another. In my belief system we're all equal. Not all equally talented, etc but all deserving of the same human dignity.

Putting women on a pedestal is a certain form of... bah. It's a certain sort of damage.

Your post draws sweeping and simplistic generalizations that arise from questionable underpinnings. You just cannot prove that women ever were the "civilizers" of men. You can't really get people to agree what "civilizing" someone even consists of, I dare say. You make it sound as though all men are doomed to pussywhipped-dom, to make it short and crass. I do not buy it.

Feminism changed much, but it didn't get everyone, or even most everyone, to "throw out" the attributes of women. God! How can you even profess to define the terms you're using here?

All human beings need someone. It goes both ways, complicatedly, but not more men more than women, or vice versa. Not in the aggregate. You can find individual persons who fit your theory, but on the whole, you can't prove or disprove your theory.

Fundamentally, though, I just don't buy it.

I mean you no disrespect, and I hope you believe that. You're a police officer? Do you realize exactly how that biases you (or at least, how it has seemed to bias most police officers I've ever met?) I'm a doctor, and believe me that biases me in ways I have yet to figure out. Are you generalizing about humanity from the worst cut of it?

I don't know what else to say. Your theory is horrible, and very, very wrong.