Featured Long-Range EVs Are The Antithesis Of Efficiency And Sustainability

i have to disagree

the problem with these authors is that they are always thinking in the present. just like the ones who say 'increasing bev use from fossil fuel produced electricity is not reducing carbon.'

well duh, everything works in concert. electricity production keeps getting cleaner.

battery and motor technology will keep improving. it is not going to happen overnight, which works out perfectly

keep in mind, seeking alpha is a shill for the oil industry, the author is shorting tesla, and hopes to sway investors away from them.

 

I think that is what people said a few decades ago about a phone small enough to fit into a shoe.
But their calculations were off and they missed it by that much.

Mike

 

So a self-admitted antagonist of sustainable energy technology cherry picks data to prove his point and then disqualifies his points with anti-objectivity claim like "I’ve been a vocal critic of electric vehicles for almost a decade because..." Funiest part is he presents his own disqualifications as thought they are virtues.

If this guy was an actual alternative energy enthusiast and not an armchair Malthusian naysayer he would be knowledgeable a whole new raft of scientific papers and battery technology conventions where advancement of less resource intensive battery packs is being pushed with a moon shot level of interest and funding.

But if you're on his side, then go ahead and troll away... Because when there's too much demand capitalism never solves the limited supply problem right? And there's no way that advancements in battery technology will ever solve that problem and make a far less expensive resource intensive battery pack right? Great thing about a stick in the mud is you never have to worry about it going anywhere.

Meanwhile VW and others will very quickly and eagerly sign billion dollar long-term contracts to anyone showing promise with advancing performance and decreasing costs. The fury of investment at even this early is like nothing we've ever seen before, but perhaps something similar to early days of the dot com investment rounds. Automakers know the "shots fired" of Tesla leaping several years ahead of them with technological advancement is something they absolutely have to catch up to and surpass. And whoever figures this out will continue to build cars and whoever fails will no longer be building cars in a decade.

Meanwhile Mr. Perterson will keep writing the exact same message in a different way again tomorrow... Seriously, did you look through all the anti-alternative energy articles this dork has written? He's a total tool... And for sharing his link that makes you a tool too!

 

So, to be clear on the rules for posting links to articles that may be of interest. Run them all by you to ensure you agree with them? We certainly wouldn't want to expose anybody to an article with which they might disagree. That would be unthinkable!

 

Not at all... But fact is fossil fuel industry tools like to troll hybrid and EV help websites... And if your posts looks like a troll and the nature of your post acts like a troll, than don't be surprised if people treat you like a troll / tool anti-alt energy.

 

Now I'm very clear on this. No dissenting views welcome. Toe the alt energy line or be a troll, or a tool. I'm not sure which is worse...

 

There were articles back in the 70's about studies saying we would be out of oil by now.....

 

You don't convert billions of fossil fuel vehicles to electric or semi-electric with today's technology. You build it with rapidly advancing manufacturing technology of tomorrow. It's a total red herring to project forward into the future based on how cars are being built today, because that's technology that's from many years ago...

But if you'd like to have a conversation about Capacitor-based battery tech and talk about why Tesla bought the world's most innovative capacitor building company... OR if you want to talk Sodium-Ion batteries that can be shipped at 0.0v, or Lithium-sulfur batteries, or solid state batteries that could actually be built into micro-channels in the frame of the vehicle itself, we could have some really fascinating conversations about where all this is going.

But if you want to promote trolls who are solely interested in discrediting all of it even though they've never even learned about most of it, don't worry, no one will think you're a troll. Your secret is safe with me...

 

No actually you aren't clear on it.... But please do your best to try not to take online social media so seriously and you'll enjoy your life much more that way.

 

Hmm. One of us posted a rant in reply to a linked article. I didn't. Nor did the first responder to the thread, nor the second.

 

It wasn't a rant... My rants are way more crazy than that.

I was simply taking a few minutes to express my opinion and I can type fairly fast... You're the one who's making the mistake of giving it much more value than it deserves. It's just the simple perspective of one person, take it or leave it. There's no reason to get so uptight about it.

 

You might consider leaving out the personal attacks in your replies. That will provide a more receptive audience to your comments.

 

Lol.... Why so sensitive? It's social media dude... Deal with it!

When the person I'm writing is receptive the tone of the conversation is much different than when the person I'm writing is unreceptive. Guess what side you're on?

 

Well Mr. Peterson has been posting incorrect crap for years. I remember reading from him how he was shorting teals and buying a battery company that is now bankrupt.

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Note he thought in 2012 plug-in technology wouldn't advance much in a decade let alone by now. I thought he would be gone by now. One of the original Tesla shorters that put out misinformation to try and make their investment work. I don't think its a personal attack on someone if you are saying they are putting out misinformation because they have a financial stake in things going down, or that his power of prediction are really flawed.

I posted in another thread, global constraints have to do with time to build mines and battery plants, there is plenty of raw materials to build the battery packs. JPM is predicting that mild hybrids - those 48 V systems that can't run far at all on electric alone will grow rapidly because of european regulation. Battery pack prices have already fallen from the $1000/kwh toyota was saying in 2010 to bellow $200/kwh today and probably $100/kwh by 2025.

 

Well its tough to attack all the misinformation from the shorters like peterson, but I thought I did attack his argument. They will keep trying to baffle you with new bs, but I thought he had gone away after losing a great deal of money. Sure its ad hominem but when a guy is that bad, sometimes you just need to call him out so others are not fooled.

He said in 2012 battery prices were at $500kwh and weren't likely to fall much, well they have fallen, to $176/kwh on average in 2018 according to Bloomberg. In this new one he continues there isn't enough metal but here again - 2012 they were mining approximately 40% of the metals used in these batteries, and predictions are by 2030 we will have only mined about 1%. That doesn't sound like we are running out of metal, mining will simply get more expensive, but these metals like lithium don't make up a great deal of the cost of batteries.

Now it is true these mines and battery factories can not be built over night, but if you see the demand 5 years from now the cars can be designed, mines dug, processing plants and battery factories built.

At $100/kwh a pack in a 12 kwh phev is only $1400, in a 300 mile bev $7500.