Keeps going into Traction battery protection.

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  1. Kats_Pajamaz

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    My wife was driving our 2012 Prius and got the Check Hybrid System warning as soon as she hit the freeway. I went to go check it out and when I started the car, after about 30-60 seconds, I got the message "Traction Battery Protection Mode. Restart while in Park." I restarted and attempted to drive it after looking up something that basically said it needs to charge the battery. I crawled forward for about 30 seconds before the same thing happened. Keeping in mind that it wasn't in neutral at any point before, or during this.

    I know that it is possible that the battery is going out or, if I'm lucky, maybe that the battery fan is clogged and just needs cleaned. Are there any other possibilities that I should look into. I'm trying to go balance easiest and most likely to work on first.\

    Also, sorry if this has been asked a hundred times already, but most of the forums I've found about it involved it being in neutral, but mine is happening while in park or drive.
     
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    What is showing on the battery state of charge? Is it depleted? and if you leave it in Park will it charge up a bit?
     
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    any trouble lights? if so, there will be codes to help figure out what's wrong.

    be careful if it's trying to start the engine, it could damage the battery.

    is there any gas in it?
     
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    It was, and still is at one bar, or 2 then drops quickly down to one. After several hours, it stopped saying traction battery control and went back to just saying check hybrid system. I got the yellow triangle, but no codes on my standard OBD reader. I don't have one that can read hybrid codes.

    I put 4 gallons of gas in, just in case it was a fuel gauge malfunction which I had read about, but that didn't change anything.

    I haven't tried just leaving it in part, because even at one bar, the ICE isn't kicking on to charge the battery and I was afraid of running it even lower.

    As of now, when i turn it on, it starts to rev for just a second, then just coasts down to nothing. Kind of like when you turn a fan on then turn it right back off.

    The other thing I've done so far is check the HV battery fan. It was already pretty clean but I went ahead and cleaned it a bit more, then I started the car when I could see the fan, and the fan seems to be functioning properly.
     
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    If it says "check hybrid system", then there are codes stored to tell you where to check. Maybe you have a battery failure. Can often happen right around the 10 year mark
     
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    Yes but unfortunately, cheaper code readers don't seem to be able to pull codes related to the hybrid battery system. I'm hoping it isn't the battery, but it very well could be.

    I am hesitant to assume it is the battery being the issue though, because i've had the check hybrid system come on about a year ago, and it ended up being due to a head gasket leak causing a bunch of issues with the system.
     
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    is the intake grille clear?
     
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    Yes the intake grille is clean.

    And no, the car is not in neutral unless there is also a common problem of it being in neutral randomly, despite saying it is in park or drive.
     
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    Update: After trying to start the car several times, it kept spinning up for a second on intial startup, then just stopping. It shows the READY signal on my dash with no hybrid warnings unless I let it sit like that for a few minutes (after which the traction battery protection will kick on or sometimes it is the check hybrid system warning.. The ICE doesn't kick on to charge the battery.

    If I shift into drive and hit the gas, it just starts rolling backward as if I were in neutral (but to be clear, I am definitely not in neutral), so it has no power going to the engine at all that I can tell.

    I did finally get a P0335 OBD2 code, which is "Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit".
     
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    Needs a real diagnosis- either get a better code reader or take it to a pro. Looks as if the engine is not reliably starting. It is possible that all of your problems can be traced back to that single root, and it might even be something cheap.

    But you won't know until you (or someone) asks the car with a reader good enough to ask the right questions.
     
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    As was mentioned earlier, trying to get the ICE started multiple times can drain the HV battery and that can damage the battery (reverse a weak cell) or require the use of an external HV battery charger to get the state of charge back up.

    Check if the battery fan actually runs when the warning occurs. If not, the problem is in the battery cooling system (which is not the best part of our Prius system). It could be either the battery temperature sensor or the fan or a broken connection to the fan.

    If the ICE spins and does not start, the problem is a classic one in the ICE (usually fuel - Injectors, fuel filter, or fuel pump - or spark - plugs, coil or igniters,).

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    I ordered a reader and it should come in tomorrow. I guess it isn't a matter of quality necessarily, it is more bluetooth compatibility that was the issue so I can use the Dr. Prius app.

    As far as the fan goes, it does spin properly, both before and during the warning coming on the display. I checked the intake and exhaust piece goes into the battery and they are fully open and undamaged.

    I am also suspecting it might be a tradition ICE problem, but what is throwing me is that my OBD2 always reads normal ICE codes on both of my cars. I've only had problems when I get the hybrid system warnings, but it isn't really pulling any codes (other than the P0335 that I am looking into now).

    Is it possible that it is the MG1 not allowing the ICE to start? I know that one of the main components for a car to start is the starter which happens to be the MG1 and my wife did say she hit a particularly large pothole the day before and I'm not sure how much of a risk there is in damaging a transaxle component, or if it is pretty safe up there.
     
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    Also, the main reason I tried to start it a few times was in hopes that it was just bone dry and had a fuel gauge malfunction and that maybe it would require a few attempts after putting in gas to get it started. I think that was not the problem.
     
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    how many miles on her?
     
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    Gee's, I wonder if that would keep the car from starting????? :whistle::whistle::whistle:

    [QUOTE="Kats_Pajamaz, post: 3364516, member: 198745"
    I did finally get a P0335 OBD2 code, which is "Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit".[/QUOTE]
     
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    Hmmm...I wonder. Which is why I said I was looking into it. If you had read the full post, that code was not there originally and I had to start the car several times before that code was pulled. Thank you for your very helpful input though.
     
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    We were waiting on you getting the code reader....
    Check the connection, make sure it didn't get damaged or disconnected
    for some reason....

     
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    So my bluetooth tester came in today. The codes that were pulled were the P0335, P3000 and P0A0F (which seems to be the generic failed to start code). My app isn't giving me a specific sub code of the P3000.

    I also inspected the CKS, and it looks fine as far as wiring and connection. I removed it and tested resistance across the sensor itself which read about what I would expect. I also checked that one of the harness wires is properly grounded, but my DMM is the most accurate when it comes to low voltages, so testing for voltage on either the sensor or the connector wasn't particularly helpful to me.
     
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    If you’re going to work on this yourself build a grid charger - it’s cheap and easy and will allow you to recharge your HV bat. Also get a bootleg copy of Techstream from eBay or Amazon listed as mini VCI - this will read all codes and subcodes