juicedhybrid electric only option

Here's your fish for the day.
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-modifications/24240-2006-prius-factory-ev-button-installed.html
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/2179-battery-soc-ev-button-warranty-point-ponder.html
https://priuschat.com/forums/file-library/1156-factory-ev-button-installation.html
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-modifications/31515-sigma-ev-button-installed.html
https://priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/724-ev-button.html
http://priuschat.com/forums/knowled...1-kb-ev-button-installation-instructions.html
https://priuschat.com/forums/prius-modifications/19815-2006-ev-button-installation.html
https://priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/2375-ev-button-warrantee.html
https://priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/25319-help-ev-button.html
http://priuschat.com/forums/knowled...8-kb-ev-button-installation-instructions.html

 

Wow, you love the marketing stuff don't you!
You're "allowing" Prius owners to access the EV mode. Bit of a stretch.
You've copied Prius Accessories 's design for the EV mod that Wayne Brown figured out how to implement and that I first published over 4 1/2 years ago.

Let's evaluate your ad on the linked site shall we?

• Easy Installation - In a few minutes this OEM option replication will activate the electric only feature from Toyota to drive for short distances such as around town or in parking lots to save fuel.
• Ok, we're pretty good here though driving around town is a pretty huge stretch unless you live in a VERY small town.
  
• Increase Fuel Efficiency- By limiting the use of the gas motor your Prius will have improved MPG.
• Flat out wrong. While FE may be improved with very judicious use by experienced users when S4 is not yet available it's the rare individual that can legitimately make any claim to improved FE.
  
• Increase Performance- Operating the high horsepower and powerful torque of the electric motor in your Prius you will notice an increase in acceleration.
• Again, wrong. With normal operation you get the full torque of the electric PLUS the torque of the ICE.
  
• Environmentally Friendly - No gas engine means better for the environment.
• Where did that electricity come from that's in the battery?? Oh yea, gas...only now you've converted it from gas, to electricity, to potential energy in the battery back to kinetic energy at the wheel...conversion losses lead to REDUCED efficiency, higher gas use and is actually slighly less environmentally friendly.
  
• Step By Step Instructions - The EV Mode kit is designed for ease of installation and includes the step by step instructions. No cutting of wires.
• Yea, ok. Just like coastal's, I never had to cut any wires with the original install either since you just tap one pin and ground it to a momentary switch.
  
• Runs Seamlessly - The electric only feature can be turned on and used up to a speed of around 34 mph at which time it will automatically turn off and the car will operate as usual.
• Quickly and easily activate and/or turn off the electric mode when desired.
• No problem with either of the above
• Maintains battery Life - Toyota includes the “Electric Only†software in all Hybrids and the Juiced Hybrid chip activates this option.
• Yipes...that's a real stretch. Did you provide a link to the Toyota site where they don't recommend EV mods and suggest it may void the warranty if you do so? Look, I've had an EV mode as long as anyone in North America. I wrote the book on it's use here. But claims like this are just flat out lies and lead to confusion. Misuse of the EV mode (basicly using it to drive around town or in a lame effort to get more torque) could potentially expand the SOC range used and lead to an early demise of the battery.
  
• Engine automatically restarts when the battery needs to be recharged or if you need to accelerate quickly.
• yea, ok.

Look, if you wanna rip off someone else's design and sell it on the internet and claim you're taking $30 off the "List price" ...who's list anyway? That's fine. But if you're going to come to Priuschat and try to promote your product you're not going to be happy with the response such false claims and exagerations will get.

If you're smart you'll e-mail the Priuschat site owner [email protected] and see if he's interested in a partnership to sell your product through the Priuschatshop. I think that if you make your ad more honest and do a little cooperative marketing with Priuschat you'll sell a lot more of your product, provide an alternative to coastaletech and their lousy customer service and you might even find some support from this community. But you're not off on a very good foot with me anyway.

 

Oh, and I notice you illegally used the copyrighted photo from coastaletech in your own ad. You rip off their design, show a video of their product being installed on your site, and then use their photos (you couldn't take your own?) in the ad. Very very bad.

 

Oh, and Coastal sells theirs for just $45 compared to the "$30 off list price" of $60 for yours. I'm guessing that maybe you're just trying to resell coastal's for a profit?

 

We'd like that too.

Show me just one way that this makes sense staying within the laws of physics. While you may momentarily see an increase in the MPG readout on the display the energy used from the battery must be replaced...guess where that comes from? That's right, gas. You can't deny conversion losses. You can't deny all the energy comes from gas.
As I stated, there are rare situations that using EV mode can result in improved FE, but nothing you've described is included in those situations or methods.
You can call me wrong, but physics, facts, almost 5 years of experience and the experts are all on my side. There's no free energy and there's nothing about using the battery that is more energy efficient than letting the car determine what to do.

When you brake and coast you're simply recapturing a fraction of the energy that came from gas...all of the energy still, originally, comes from gas...100$ of it unless you're physically pushing the car to the top of hills.
And your catalytic converter reference is also wrong. Indeed if the Cat gets cool while you're driving around under EV mode it is less efficient and the HV ECU forces the ICE into a lower power and lower efficiency mode while reheating the Cat so it operates properly. Further the ICE can get quite cool and will be forced to go through it's warm-up cycle again...more emissions.

Again, you seem to be mixing up momentary benefit (higher MPG, zero emissions) of EV mode use from the net impact of EV use (lower MPG, higher emissions). It's really too bad you didn't come here for a little research before producing and marketing your product.

Yea yea, we're all familiar with Magneson-Moss. The thing is this device may, potentially, violate EPA emission standards by altering the design performance characteristics of the vehicle as tested and approved for the US market. Further, if an installed device directly impacts/damages a component the warranty is void. For instance...if I install a super-duper super-charger to my car and it causes damage to the ICE the ICE is not covered by the OEM warranty any more. Now, if I install an XM radio then the engine dies it's certainly covered. In this case if Toyota claims that the EV mod caused the early death of the battery and refuse to cover it you really won't have a case even with M-M act in your corner.
FWIW we have precedent:
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-m...ery-toyota-denies-warranty-due-ev-button.html
You'd do well to read that.

You illegally are using a copyrighted photo from the Coastal site. Did you independently design a unique product? If so what is unique about your product and different from Coastal's design. What about your product warrants a price $15 more than Coastal's?

I look forward to seeing your new products, but I hope that in the future you'll solicit facts and advice from people who are active in the community and products and mods and conduct your business in an honest and ethical manner. Frankly this first introduction to your site is not promising. But your response here is a positive sign that you want to serve the community and I appreciate that as do, I'm certain, the 40k+ members of the Priuschat site.

 

Let us know when you've developed one for the '07 Highlander Hybrid too.