Introducing myHybridcar.com

Hi Jason

I don't know who you are but since you've come here and tried to syphon off member's, I suspect without permission, I'm beginning to form a picture. It ain't good brother, so do the right thing and ask the mods to delete this post because they have too much integrity to do it themselves, something you might learn from example. Oh by the way good luck with your new website you won't be seeing me there. :yo:

Wildkow

 

Hey Jason,
Best of luck with the new site mate.

 

Why do I need an alternative, exactly?

 

An Early GreenHybrid Member

I put 3142 posts at GreenHybrid in two years, linked numerous articles, setup polls, etc. Around Jan 2006 their activity may have been comparable to PC, when they were sold and wanted to go "more mainstream". That turned out to be a membership less like PC and more like a general automotive forum....I understand the "Just Drive It", but there were a number of "Just Speed It" members increasing as ecodrivers and hypermilers were leaving. The Honda IMA hybrid system was routinely trashed - I thought they were going more mainstream?

It should be noted that there were numerous hypermilers before GreenHybrid was sold when activity was at it's peak....a number of members, including staff GH members worked hard to run them off to increase GH activity - you can see the results. Probably the worst bashing of Wayne Gerdes was at GH - who left as the most prominent member....attacks even included msantos, who lacks a mean bone in his body.

In a world where 2 of 3 gallons comes outside the US and to mitigate the worst of climate change by 2050, CO2 must go down 80% while world energy consumption triples...it's very strange at GH that I received more than occasional gearheaded replies deriding me as somekind of ecofacist for suggesting driving under 70 and limiting the use of pickups/SUV for the times they are truly needed....the biggest flamethrower getting 19.8mpg in his HiHi (read: definitely a leadfoot).

[ame="http://www.google.com/search?q=troy+heagy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a"]Troy Heagy[/ame] (Troy Heagy) has disrupted many green auto forums, yet after a solid week of disrupting GH, Jason knowlingly let his sock return to do another week of trolling months later. A kid in Ontario tore up his Insight with things like drive up a mountain at 85 as if it's a Tesla, then bashed Honda and all hybrids....Honda Canada knows him well and was treated like his Insight. All 100 of his posts were hybrid-bashing (like his nickname)....Jason was harsher on me than this troll. Even at PC, Troy Heagy and his socks would not be tolerated, and the 2nd troller that killed his Insight would not go far here. For reasons that escape me, Jason was more tolerant of trollers like these (and more) than me....interestingly, I have not been in trouble at Prius Chat.

I think it's a reasonable assumption myHybridcar.com will be a lot like GreenHybrid.

 

Jason,

I expect you to mature and learn, but it important to know the difference between the detractor and contributors - you ran off the contributors instead of hanging on to them while getting more new members. You're too sharp and incharge of GH at that time to have forgotten serial troller ElectricTroy and HondaSucks, neither could you have forgotten the time you were going to group ban me along with four members stalking me making anti-Hummer remarks commonplace here....it took four moderators to talk you out of bannning me for quoting The High and Mighty. Granted, I got carried away with some of my truck remarks, but even on perfect driving behavior, I get harassed by some truck drivers. I'd expect the same skimming on such situations to continue.

Why did you let tbalano's dig on me stand in his sig? ( GreenHybrid - Hybrid Cars - View Profile: tbaleno ) That you let it stand seems to reflect your honest feelings.

Opening a hypermiling subforum with Bob Wilson as a member? He's spent three years running hypermilers off of GH, then attacking them here without any evidence he will ever stop.

That's probably enough to say.

 

I only use the GreenHybrid database to track my FE compared to others. Although I find it a PITA to acces now I intend to continue until it is unavailable. I spend enough time here and not looking to go elsewhere.

And now a word to every ex-owner who complains about what the buyer did to the property. It's not yours after the sale. If you want a say in or control over what happens then don't sell.

 

Hi Jason;

I am an avid supporter of hybrid technology. I own more hybrid vehicles than most people in our online community do, and I also do so by owning exclusively hybrid vehicles. I own Toyota Hybrids and Honda hybrids and I do so with the knowledge and certainty that can only be derived from first hand experience.
As you can see, it saddens me when I see Toyota vs Honda wars going on.

It is on that note that I started to contribute at GH a good number of years ago with an interest of supporting the community that I was so fond of. Unfortunately, the governing ideology interpreted eco-driving and hypermiling as threats and did not accommodate them for whatever good they did. But since hypermiling and eco-driving were not perfect, it appeared it was OK to throw out the baby with the bath water. So, instead of accommodating and embracing this alternative, a void was inevitably formed which was also subsequently filled in 2006.

Anyway, soon after the resentment at GH became very pronounced and it was time to start cracking down on people who not only had a reference in their signature to a competing and subjectively superior mileage database located in other sites but also any links to community support documents/articles located in other site. This became regarded as site sniping and spamming and the greed factor prevailed over the benefits to the community.
This is in my view what put a noose around GH's neck and helped seal its fate. The site name was great, the traffic was awesome and the community was alive, but very soon the execution became myopic and exclusively rooted on half equation mediocrity and suspicion. This is my point of view and whether I managed to sum it up successfully to you or not, I vehemently share it with many at PC and elsewhere (including quite a few still at GH).

So, despite wishing you well with the new web site I am still baffled by a few questions:
1- How can you be sure that the new site is going to be of significant benefit to the community... while respectfully accommodating of the potential each hybrid owner is willing to commit to without creating alienation among its members?

2- Even I am careful enough to acknowledge that the hybrid market accounts only for 5% of the total market so preventing community in-fighting and fragmentation should be a priority. Yes, we're trying hard to increase hybrid ownership though real world example, but for this 5% to increase at a faster rate we'll have to take it from the other 95% at a faster rate too. How are we doing it? Would we use "honey or vineagar"? I'm am sure that you'll agree that when we are governed by narrow mindedness, split-ups occur and voids are filled by people with more accommodating and flexible visions than ours. Is that something you which to avoid or continue with your new site?

Also, I totally agree with Evan's points as well.

Cheers;

MSantos