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"Insulate Britain" and Prime Minister's finger

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    Effective civil disobedience engenders sympathy for their cause but that is not what "Insulate Britain" accomplishes. They form human road blocks and glue and chain themselves to public roads which generates extreme hostility. So Prime Minister Rishi Sunk gave them his fingers:

    UK Plans to "Max Out" Offshore Oil and Gas Production .

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    UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced plans to approve more than 100 new offshore oil and gas licenses as part of a policy of "maxing out" Britain's energy reserves, in the words of one of his ministers. ...

    Neither the protestors nor Sunak are doing 'the right thing' but I appreciate the Three Stooges:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    You probably would NOT be posting about it if their tactics were more passive... It's always so funny how armchair protesters tell the people in the streets who are taking a beating that they don't know how to do it right even though these same armchair protesters would ignore them and the issue of another 100 offshore oil leases that will make climate change worse if the so called wrong type of protest happens.

    Meanwhile recent laws in Britain make it a crime to even hold up a protest sign if its contrary to the government agenda.

    I cheer on and celebrate any civil disobedience that tries to get people to wake up to addressing climate change, it's a fools errand to suggest otherwise via nit-picking tactics.
     
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    I defend their right to protest and sometimes it is necessary. Just there is a delicate balance between Jan 6 at the Capital and the King speech on the Mall.

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    Tell me more about how this delicate balance thing works? I mean one can't clutch their pearls tight enough because of these extremists who as you say: "...form human road blocks and glue and chain themselves to public roads which generates extreme hostility." Lol... It's like these protesters are even worse than the Prime Minister's nepotism that's setting the whole world on fire and making climate change irreversible for centuries. I mean clearly the protesters are the only real problem we should be upset about!

    "A firm founded by Rishi Sunak’s father-in-law signed a billion-dollar deal with BP two months before the prime minister opened hundreds of new licences for oil and gas extraction in the North Sea. In May, the Times of India reported that Infosys bagged a huge deal from the global energy company which is thought to be the second-largest in the history of the firm. The Indian IT company is owned by the prime minister’s wife’s family although Sunak has insisted the matter is of “no legitimate public interest”. It has since come to light that the IT giant has been involved in £172 million worth of public sector contracts in the UK, and even the most innocent bystanders would admit that the current drive to increase oil and gas exploration in the North Sea is more than convenient. What’s more, it is made even more convenient by the fact that one of Infosys’ other major clients is Shell, whose CEO joined Rishi Sunak’s new business council two weeks ago and promised a “candid collaboration” with his government." Sunak's family firm signs billion-dollar deal with BP
     
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    wow, i had no idea gb was in so deep. i thought brexit and boris were in the past. sumac sounds worse than both put together.
    and they didn't like the lady just before him?
     
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    Come on @bisco this thread is about what's wrong with the protesters, not what's wrong with our fearless leaders in the British Government. You are not to say anything bad about them no matter how many billions they end up killing!

    Or rather if you want to worship government leaders in the UK, there's few worthy of it. But this individual is worth listening to: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvYoS12Nowp/
     
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    reminds me of trumph and drill baby, drill!
     
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    Lol, yeah... All of sudden Sunak saw the black curtains on one of his mansions and was like, yeah, they're right... I'll rescind my hundreds of offshore leases I just approved to make my extended family even bigger billionaires than we already are.

    I think when you mean "effective" you mean easier to ignore the problem. But the truth is the entire intent of non-violent civil disobedience is to get in the way of business as usual and to create so much disruption that the system can no longer function. And when you do that without violence their ability to stop you with violence backfires on them.

    Keep in mind when Gandhi defied the British ban on salt making and marched 50K people to the ocean to make salt the roads were blocked in near the same way and the British murdered near 1000 people and jailed 60K. But it was the beginning of the end for them. And no doubt people just like you were in India complaining about how it was the wrong kind of protest and not effective because it blocked the roads and created traffic...
     
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    I'm pretty sure the other Indians did not run out and confront the marchers. My understanding is the death and arrests were pretty much a commanded British government action. But we come from different backgrounds.

    If the "Insulate Britain" techniques are effective in the UK, go for it. From my side of the pond, it does not inspire replication. We have the mythical "Karens."

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    Interesting that you live in Alabama and referenced MLK's speech as the right way and Jan 6th as the wrong way... And I can agree with that entirely. But Jan 6th never blocked traffic... Whereas MLK in the Selma to Montgomery march blocked traffic along 54 miles of highway in a far more thorough way than "insulate Britain" did in their protests. MLK's march had as many as 8K people and leading to the arrest of 2400, including MLK and four people in the march were murdered. But please continue to help me better understand how to effectively protest because I've been showing up to these events all my life and I'm always looking for ways to be more effective.
     
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    If you want to focus on oil, go after the public access:
    • gas stations - at least a picket line
    • oil refineries - where the fuel trucks come in and out, at least a picket line
    • stock holder and business meetings - at least a picket line
    • dis-investment effort - get the stock holding pensions and other institutions out of the oil investment business (aka., like the South Africa campaign.)
    No doubt UK petro and diesel customers are already pissed about the cost at the 'money' pump (I'm partial to pick pocket pump.) Work to make their executives and employees into the lower class they are. But also a positive message.
    • improve public transportation - out of a car, they can bypass the 'money pump.'
    • compare and contrast to EV only - my Tesla Model 3 costs 1/3d per mile and I have not had any other ICE maintenance expenses or delays.
    • electric assisted bicycles - add the range and exercise benefits for commuting ,,, include attention to dealing with weather.
    • electric scooters, Vespa style - this can mitigate some of the weather effects.
    • enclose 3-wheelers - solves the weather problem and supports a second rider and/or groceries. These would be a great 'rolling roadblock'
    These are the ones off the top of my head. Just have your 'brain trust' consider more effective techniques than blocking traffic.

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    when i was in london in the early 70's, the tube was very good. idk how it is today.

    if the tax on petrol isn't a deterrent, idk what will get people out of their cars.