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I-15 truck over turned, battery fire

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Jul 30, 2024.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Source: I-15 reopens some 44 hours after battery truck catches fire | Local Nevada | Local

    The truck was carrying six industrial-scale lithium metal batteries in a container that weighed more than 75,000 pounds. It burned all night, spewing toxic gasses and was still smouldering into Saturday night as officials pondered how to extinguish and remove the wreck.

    Was this a Tesla Megabuck enroute to the Tesla Nevada factory?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    High Density Lithium Ion is on its way out... There's no future in cells that are high enough density to burn everything down around them. The cumulative environmental impacts are adding up. 23 people were recently killed in this entirely destroyed factory in South Korea when this fire started from a single cell that was being improperly stored failing:



    It's time to shift to lower density ultra-lightweight battery chemistries that are not able to start a fire that can't be put out. It's basic common sense!
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Do you sell these replacement batteries?

    Do you want legislation to outlaw batteries you don't like?

    Do you propose to condemn and confiscate my existing LiON batteries?
    • 55 kWh - Tesla battery
    • 28 kWh - BMW i3-REx battery
    • multiple laptop batteries
    • three cell phone batteries
    Come on by and we'll chat:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    truck drivers - a serious national problem
     
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    Lol... Settle down... Stop being so childish... I'm talking about long term market forces, no one is going to take your stuff away...

    I'm talking about the companies you listed above that have to pay for business insurance, as well as as court investors. The actuarial costs/risks of selling a battery cell that can catch fire and be difficult to put out is much higher than selling a battery that doesn't do that.

    BYD, for example are in their second year of Sodium-Ion vehicles and their price point is so low for these vehicles that all you assault rifle threatening kids in the US would rather adopt protectionist trade policies rather than compete on a level playing field.

    Clearly the battery factory in South Korea that killed 23 workers, the company who shut down I-15 for 44 hours costing tens of millions of dollars across the board to all of interstate commerce dependent on that shipping route aren't going to approach these consequences with the same out of touch flippant cavalier attitude as you.

    Turning a long term fiscal threat to a business into personal threats is a great example of a business that is sustained with bullying and oppression rather than accountability and responsibility that improves product design over time.
     
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    Sounds like a good BMS system was needed. Or it’s a pitch for lower power density sodium when that is the flavor of the day.
     
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    BYD is selling cars with Sodium-Ion that don't turn into massive fires you can't put out... That's going to be a huge competitive advantage of keeping costs down. So what do we do in the US to adapt to that innovation? We pretend like its not an advancement and just some silly trend that can be dismissed even though we banned that car company from selling in the US while they destroy our competitive advantage in countries where we can't ban them. That's not how you build a successful industry that is competitive globally for decades to come. It's just a bunch of Trumpian stupidity that's a house of cards that quickly fails...
     
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    A gentle suggestion, the attitude of the earlier posting read somewhat confrontational to this Southern gentleman. I am quite happy to adopt next generation batteries when they are manufactured in EVs I would buy.

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    Did you miss the threads where his is so involved?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Any word of the actual type of battery?
    LFP isn't fireproof, just more resistant. When it does catch fire, it can release more toxic gases than the nickel-cobalt chemistries.
    How safe are lithium iron phosphate batteries? – pv magazine International
    That sounds like a call for full size SUV EVs. You aren't going to get a 300 mile BEV car with Na-ion, and such a battery isn't fire proof.