Hymotion/Other Phev Mods - Who's taken the plunge?

I put in my deposit 2 days ago, reservation#318 I think, and they are already out to Nov. installs. People are buying at least.

I am guessing that they are using their power tool cell, m1. I count 88 cells in series for 290V nominal voltage (3.3v/cell). This cell would be great as a hybrid battery, low internal resistance, high power, but only medium energy storage. Not so great for phev's, and not as good as their new flat, square cell they are developing for GM and their Volt. But at least the M1 cell is mature, made in the millions, well tested, and somewhat cheaper.

I have been using and testing these cells since they could be bought. They are good, have only killed one cell, after quite a bit of abuse. The company is experiencing a small amount of infant death of individual cells (three cases that I have run across).

The thing to remember before you buy is that once the battery is run down to 40% of charge it is isolated from the system. That means you can not charge it with the cars hybrid system, unlike edrive's system. That is unfortunate because people in hilly area's could get better mileage with a larger battery backup. The advantage of HYmotions battery pack will be the life of the pack. It will last a long time because the pack will never have to give out more than 22kw for a few seconds, when it could put out as much as 120kw (30c), and the charge system installed with the battery pack is only 6amps which is only about .8amp (.4c) charge per series cell group. This will ensure maximum life for the pack, but the 4.5 hour charge rate won't help people who get home and try to recharge the pack for another errand later in the day.

There will be other problems for people who want to do vehicle to grid hookjups or even direct DC voltage charging with solar installations or home assist arrangements.
But maybe Ive given too much info already in the wrong forum, sorry.

But with a PHEV and a solar power installation, I definately feel like I am finally living my dream. Thanks-

Ron

 

Interesting SVPriusFan, My confirmation code is #97 as well. My initial deposit didn't process and I had to do it a second time.(Maybe we both hit the deposit button at the same time ) I was told that I still had a July spot (in Boston). Unlike you I plan to do the graphics and tell/show as many people as I can. PHEV seem to be in a few fleets in the Northeast, but noting that the public can see. I want them to see.
Hope to have some pictures in July.
I'm actually installing the EV costal switch this afternoon in my brother in law's 06. Am considering this for the PHEV.
Chris

 

I also got #97 and was told I needed to resubmit. Currently my module is due to be shipped to my installer (Minneapolis) in August

 

I'm #65 scheduled for Washington, but I told Erin I'd go to Boston if necessary. I was told mid October for installation. I put my deposit down on 5/7/08.

 

I doubled checked my reply from Erin and I am scheduled for July. I entered my deposit on April 26th. I wonder what position in the queue I really am. I was hoping the response was good enough to have 97 on April 26.
Chris

 

How Much Are You Paying For Your Kits? What All Do You Get?

 

You can find the details at Hymotion :: Enabling the new generation of hybrid owners to maximize their fuel efficiency (redirects to something like a123.hymotion.com or such, not sure).
Basically it is a 10k module which includes install. They use A123's lithium batteries and will give you gas mileage between 60mpg to 150mpg depending upon how you drive. (if you would only get 60mpg I certainly wouldn't do it).

 

i def wouldnt drop 10k. i mean i can build an upgradeable ev for that. if it made it a phev to where i could drive, say 60 miles just in ev mode, then i would give it a strong consideration. 10k is still steep. its a long time for payoff, plus i dont own a prius yet. so thats like 10k plus the price of a prius on top of it. i might be looking at 25k and up total. im pretty sure i can build my own custom phev for that. there are lots of options for the money, even a pneumatic motor.

 

10 k i drive alot of miles a year on average about 32000. that would take ten years at 4.15 a gallon but gas is going up so maybe less time

 

That is completely your choice iLLa.
Personally I am all thumbs when it comes to building my own paper air plane, much less a PHEV.
I also look at it as quite a deal. My last car was a Lexus IS250 (35k). The Prius is basically the same car without the heated seats and with another 25mpg. With the module, it will be comparable in cost and get almost 4 times the gas mileage. For me it is a win

 

i feel you. i see how you would look at it like that. i have an is300, my friend who is a dealer was like trade me your IS and buy this new IS350 off me, its loaded. I don't want a 18-20k loan on another gas guzzler. id rather drop 20k on a prius. even more so, id rather build my own prius. i really hate car payments, to me having one is almost like living above my means or having a car i cant afford. i might not be the most mechnically inclined person out there, but i know people what build cars from the ground up. my dealer friend is a sick mechanic. i know a lot about electronics. there are numerous books and forums to buiild your own phev. for a person like me, i have the resources and options. i mean if, you want heated seats, you can find some and install them. technology is getting better and cheaper for EV's. its worth me driving a 1200 corolla to save on gas, before dropping 20k into prius, just so that i can get what i want. hub motors are getting more powerful everyday. an easy hybrid to make when they get a lil more powerful, would to be take a front wheel drive car, put hub motors on the rear. you could drive with the gas to charge the motor batteries, assuming that the hub motors are also generators, as well as using high output alternators. i can find whatever used car i want and convert it. im just really picky about what i choose to spend time and money on, so sometimes its worth waiting. you are correct though, spending 35-45k on a new prius with the module is def worth it and it is very easy, its just not for me at this point.

 

Well I've been driving one for over a year now. It is a lead Acid conversion. 100mpg is very possible or even more, but go just a few miles more than your range and see your mileage plummet. They do work great, but every now an then I have to go further then the range to do something. If I could afford it I would get a 60 mile range on mine, but even then, the Prius is not the best PHEV, it is only the best PHEV we have now.
Doing this type of conversion for saving money is not the right reason. I did mine to reduce air pollution, and to use less foreign oil thereby improving our Energy Independence and increasing our National Security. The fact that I now spend that money in my local economy improving it and our tax base goes mostly unnoticed by many.

If I had to do it all over again, I would! Plug-in cars ROCK!

 

yeah, youre right it doesnt seem very cost effective. i have a few future projects planned out. a prius might be one of them. lead acid batteries are just too heavy for most of the ones i have in mind.

 

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If I cannot stay in EV-only mode, will a conversion still increase my mileage?Answer:
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I drive long distances – will I benefit from converting my Prius to PHEV?Answer:
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@ Cheap!,

What would you say your average mileage range is in boosted MPG? I'm very keen to put Velma through the DIY PHEV route as I've just had to purchase her to replace my EV - whose range, hill climbing ability and speed wasn't up to the work I needed to do

I'm missing the plug already. And I even have two outside power outlets waiting!

 

yea cheap more details would be nice about your setup, i have access to tool just no instructions although the skematics at PHEV eaa is a bit all over the place...