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Hybrid Long-Term Test Update Part 2

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Tideland Prius, Feb 21, 2006.

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  1. Tideland Prius

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    With temperatures lurching from +7 degrees Celsius to -27 in the space of twenty-four hours, and conditions ranging from dry cold to freezing rain, Ottawa's extreme weather is the perfect place to test the limits of CanadianDriver's two long-term Hybrid test vehicles. "If you want to see how a hybrid stands up, this is the place to be," says Paul Williams. Paul relates his experience with the Civic Hybrid, while Grant Yoxon updates the Toyota Prius.

    2006 Honda Civic Hybrid

    This year's winter in Ottawa is unusual. We lurch from 7 degrees Celsius one day, to -27 the next. We've had rain, snow, freezing rain, fog, slush, ice and the occasional bitterly cold, sunny day. In short, these conditions will be tough on any car, so if you want to see how a hybrid stands up, this is the place to be.


    "...So far, we've driven 1,908 kilometres in our Honda Civic Hybrid long-term test car.

    It's mostly city driving in the conditions described above. We're seeing 8.7 L/100 km, and filling up with an average of 33-litres of regular gasoline when the electronic gauge gets close to empty. That's an average of 381.6 kilometres per tank, which holds 45 litres of gasoline..."

    2006 Toyota Prius

    Considering the weather we've experienced in eastern Canada over the last week, I can't help but think the time is right for a leisurely cruise through the Florida Keys. Throw in a week on the beach and two tickets to the Daytona 500 and the conditions would be ideal for car testing.

    "...So we were not surprised that our 2006 Toyota Prius long-term tester has not achieved Natural Resources Canada's predicted fuel economy of 4.0 litres per 100 kilometres in the city and 4.2 L/100km on the highway. But we weren't disappointed either. Fuel consumption has ranged from an average of 5.6 L/100 km on a drive from Toronto to Ottawa to 7.2 L/100 km during a week of nasty city driving.

    During our best week in the city the Prius consumed 5.2 L/100 km. Our combined fuel consumption figure for the 4,290 kilometres we've put on the car since early January is 6.4 L/100 km."

    Full Article


    So, this illustrates the EPA exactly. Both don't get EPA mileage but clearly, the Prius still gets better mileage than the HCH just like EPA said it would. :rolleyes:
     
    #1 Tideland Prius, Feb 21, 2006
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    Very nice :)
     
    #2 flareak, Feb 21, 2006
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    Hmm, the review has some inaccuracies like "the doors open automatically when you approach." Not quite right. They unlock when you touch the strips while near the car w/the key.

    Their Prius 6.4 L / 100 km number = 36.76 mpg. Their HCH overall # of 8.7 L / 100 km = 27.04 mpg. For the Prius, their Canadian estimate is 56 mpg highway and 58.8 city.
     
    #3 cwerdna, Feb 22, 2006
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    Good review.

    You can tell the review was written by someone who actually used the car.
     
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    I have to convert this, now let me see 3.7 litters to US gallon?, 1km is .62km? When you read the Canadian articles, sometimes they convert to mpg, but sometimes I think they use imperial gallons, and I'm not sure exactly how much more that is than the US gallon.

    I think its about time the US switches.
     
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    hmmm looks like that other thread about Prius owners being concerned that the 2006 HCH was getting equal gas mileage without any change in driving habits has no real basis in fact.

    this is very close to a side by side and the Prius is still head a shoulders above the crowd.

    dspite the low (and expected) mileage during the cold weather, the 45 mpg is right in line with a new Prius at this time of year
     
    #7 DaveinOlyWA, Feb 22, 2006
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    Actually, the basis in fact was just repeating the averages recorded at GreenHybrid. Ive been watching them for the past few months. It looks like the averages may be more volatile on the HCH2's because there is less data. They are currently dropping from 47 mpg last Nov. to 45 mpg today. If this is correct, the Prius averages will remain around 48 and the HCH2 will start creeping upwards as the weather warms up.

    Longterm averages for PriusI is 45 mpg, PriusII is 48mpg, for HCH1 is 45 mpg (manual 48), and HCH2 has dropped to 45 mpg. This may confirm what the Canadian tests show. So far, it looks like the Prius II is getting better winter gas mileage than the Civic HCH2.
     
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    I don't like the way they count fuel per fixed 100km

    I'd rather see how many KM per 1 liter just like MPG.
     
    #9 lowspeed, Feb 22, 2006
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    100km = 60 miles how many liters to go that distance. After a while it becomes natural but I alway convert it so I can get my head around it. In imperial mpg. My big question is why in a world almost entirely base on metric is the US still using gallons?
     
    #10 Frank Hudon, Feb 22, 2006
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    what is 10 l/100km?? its 10km/l...like its just an inverse relationship.

    5l/100km is 100km/5l or 20km/l
     
    #11 DaveinOlyWA, Feb 22, 2006
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    Maybe for a similar reason to why the world doesn't switch to metric time.
     
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    Yeah i know that ...

    But i think it is nice to see how much you can drive per liter ... gives you better perspective...


    Besides nice of you to use nice round numbers :) go figure 4.34/100km... U need a calc
     
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    [car.

    It's mostly city driving in the conditions described above. We're seeing 8.7 L/100 km, and filling up with an average of 33-litres of regular gasoline when the electronic gauge gets close to empty. That's an average of 381.6 kilometres per tank, which holds 45 litres of gasoline..."

    [disappointed either. Fuel consumption has ranged from an average of 5.6 L/100 km on a drive from Toronto to Ottawa to 7.2 L/100 km during a week of nasty city driving.

    During our best week in the city the Prius consumed 5.2 L/100 km. Our combined fuel consumption figure for the 4,290 kilometres we've put on the car since early January is 6.4 L/100 km."


    a civic using 8,7L/100km and the prius to a max of 7.2L/100km and combined for the last 400km is 6.4 ,,,,, actually thats a big difference...
    yes yes i know they are saying mostly citydriving on the civic but still.---


    the winter in Oslo so far havent been the best ones ,, we had the cold and lotsa snow and bad roads atm.... and or second car the good old 97mod BMW 2,5 liters engine 172hp ,automatic trans. touring,, have used an average around 10 to 11L/100KM with mixed driving , and thats no small civic.....not to forget the wight difference either...

    so im not to impressed by the civic numbers......

    Cheers
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    #14 andreaswin, Feb 22, 2006
  15. Tideland Prius

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    Considering their best was 5.2L/100km on a new 2006 in Ontario winter, that's damn good.

    I guess the only good thing about L/100km is that when the engine's off, it;s 0.0 rather that 99.9.

    Here's a few benchmarks:

    4.0L/100km = 60mpg US
    4.3L/100km = 55mpg US
    4.7L/100km = 50mpg US
    5.0L/100km = 47mpg US
    5.6L/100km = 42mpg US

    That range should be enough to give you a good idea. I don't remember above 5.6L/100km ;)
     
    #15 Tideland Prius, Feb 22, 2006
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    I must qualify that. My European Prius (which expresses fuel consumption in l/100km) does (very occasionally - I think when not having moved since start button) show 99.9 when standing still with the engine running. I have been known to frantically press my EV button in such circumstances (it then usually refuses to go EV). In other circumstances it does show a more comforting 0.0 (which in some cases is most definitely wrong!).

    Solar Hydro
     
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    gee i figured 4.0 l/100km as 58.8 mpg...stupid calculator
     
    #17 DaveinOlyWA, Feb 22, 2006
  18. Tideland Prius

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    haha.. my mistake. it is 58.8. I guess it should be 3.9L/100km


    Solar Hydro, yes it will show 99.9L/100km when the engine's running.
     
    #18 Tideland Prius, Feb 23, 2006
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    Slightly OT but ...

    What is the official measurement system of the US Govt and when did it go into effect?
     
    #19 DeadPhish, Feb 23, 2006
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    Yeah, I also questioned the following part...

    Uhhh... isn't that called "Traction Control", and that is what it is designed to do... (?) Why did they choose to put this in the context of the car being "weak"?

    Kevin
     
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