How to destroy America.

Yes

 

No it is not thought provoking. It is just a bunch of whining.

 

There's validity in his arguments. I think this country's direction is unalterable. These arguments and the financial irresponsibility of our goverment and our people will make this nation very different in a hundred years.

 

Nope, just a thinly disguised reprint of right-wing propoganda.

 

In addition to the forces talked about above there are many more forces on our collective plates. People usually are positive creatures. But the mismanagement of recent history I believe will take their toll. In addition we now have the instant sharing of all sides of issues at the media level as well as our beliefs here as individuals. But collectively the signs of concensus are being eroded. This is yet another example of how it is being done. Very interesting reading.

 

this is from 2004

 

Awfully quick to dismiss it aren't you? This country has nothing to unify it, nothing that makes everyone stand together and put aside their differences long enough to make a difference. Look at 9/11. We were unified, sort of, for all of what, a couple of days? Don't dismiss this without thinking about it. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it whining or right-wing propaganda. The fact that we're in so much trouble as it is should be enough to let you see that lack of a cohesive populace could very well be what would make it so easy for unforseen events to push us over the edge.

 

Well, I'm not that big on world history. How long *has* Switzerland been bilingual? Boy, they sure seem to be on the road to oblivion and desolution.

Multicultural. Well, the Jews seemed to have kept their culture through 2,000 years and in the end we have Israel.

As for the new "heretic", I'd say the word "Liberal" seems to be used as a substitute these days.

At first I thought this thread might be a poll or something. I was going to reply "How to destroy America?.....Continue to vote Republican."

Instead I'll just say.....

Here's the book....

And here's the speech.

 

No nation stands forever.

I'd like to think that our best ideals --- the genius upon which we were founded -- will endure in some form in what comes after us. I'd like to think that when America is gone, whether that is in 50 years or a thousand years, a better nation will have risen to take our place.

 

way to blame all our social problems on "outsiders" huh?

we're destroying ourselves just fine without any outside help. compared to the rate of self-destruction america is managing, immigrants are like a drop in the bucket. an insignificant problem in comparison to everything else that's going on.

war in iraq
inner city wars/gang violence
single parents with no support and 3 jobs barely scraping by
rising costs of education
falling government support for education
ever-rising educational standards for any job other than burger flipping
health care
unemployment
minimum wage
tax rates
drug trafficking
the large percent of our population in prisons
misaligned priorities (CEOs make billions, teachers make less than my survival-wage graduate stipend)
pollution
oil dependence
no interest in innovation
no interest in science
directing all public interest funds to oil interest (ahem, war) funds
religion running the government (or is that religion justifying the government's every clumsy step?)
selective censorship
biased press
violence in movies and games are suddenly acceptable
see above, replace violence with sex
i could go on but i figure that's enough of a list to draw plenty of fire. but before you load up, know this is just my opinion, after all.

 

Without worrying about what "wing" is involved just look around. Here in S. FL many of the best jobs require a person who speaks Spanish or Creole. I f you only speak english-sorry no job. In 1965 our immigration laws were reversed. They had read 90% Caucasion- 10% other. Since that year they read 90% non white, 10% Caucasion.

Do you doubt that American citizens are paying incredible amounts of money for illegal aliens to attend public schools? Do you doubt that we are paying millions of $$ for illegals to get health care? I see it all here in S FL as this state has an enormous foreign population.

I think it's time to stop all immigration. Every American citizen should have a decent full time job with benefits. They also should have access to good health care without having an insurance card.

It's time to stop exporting many of our jobs. Too many Americans are losing their pension plans, health care, matching 401K $$, etc. I don't know how large corporation heads can sleep at night knowing they're putting loyal workers on the unemployment line.

Why should any foreigner be allowed to come here and take jobs from American born citizens? Why do illegals get free health care? Why do illegals crowd our schools without paying property taxes?

I think it's time to take care of Americans first. Before some of you crucify me think about this. I have 2 part time jobs. Both are per diem-no guaranteed hours. Neither have any benefits. It sucks! Did I ask for this? Of course not. Can I do better? It would be nice. I have nothing personal against anyone, but when I see non citizens taking good jobs that I might have gotten on my merits I'm unhappy.

Prejudice? No. Disappointed? Very-in our govt. It seems obvious that all our elected officials care about are large voting blocs and their rich friends & corporations. Who thinks we need a Democrat in 2008? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

 

"A Day WIthout A Mexican"

 

No one is illegal--undocumentated workers, who risk theirs lives to come here because NAFTA, IMO and International Agribusiness have devastated their economies. What an honor to come to a country that is completely hostile towards you to pick blueberries and cotton. There's plenty of service jobs available to anyone willing to be paid minimum wage or below.

Sounds prejudice and classist to me. Everyone without wealth is struggling, not just you--blame the source, not people just like you, trying to survive.

I'd like to know what jobs you unable to get because non-citizens are taking them.
P.S. Mexicans are Americans.

 

so you're jealous of the guy who cleans office buildings overnight for minimum wage?
or the woman who spends her days in the fields, getting sprayed with pesticides, picking berries for a couple bucks a bucket?
or the guy who washes dishes at the restaurant for cash under the table, ten bucks a night?
oh, i know. you wanted to clean restaurant grease hoods by standing on icy rooftops all winter and risk your life nightly to have money for food.
you applied for those jobs and were denied?
you really wanted those jobs in the first place?
trust me, if you were competing with the immigrants, you would not be in front of your computer, typing away in relative comfort.

immigrants supply the completely unskilled labor in this country. if you have any "merit" at all (a high school diploma will suffice), you will be denied for those jobs because you're OVERQUALIFIED.

 

You know what I like to call it?

The liberal influence.

Although I don't agree with many of his points...

Slowly, and surely, eroding America, such that one day, I wouldn't be surprised if we were simply invaded because the 4th President from now, waited around for absolute "proof" of such invasion before acting.

The irrational left wing contingency sickens me. Their ill-logic and way of thinking does more damage than any of our "enemies" could ever inflict. If there was ever a case for selective 1st Amendment rights, this would be it.

I hate to say it, but maybe the U.S. should have been left divided, and spared the lives of hundreds of thousands people.

 

First, I find the article to be offensive with a hint of facist ideology.

Secondly, I would not participate in unifiying to devalue another group of people--scary and we've been there plenty of times.

Lastly, a cohesive populace isn't the problem. It is the inability to redefine our values to include the inherent and growing diversity of this country. Our inabilty to adapt, along with strongly held predjudices will bring about the decline of America, while the money pigs go rape and destroy someplace else.--Your government doesn't care about you, unless you don't pay your taxes

 

Well, if anything destroys this country it is being rude. I always said that the one thing that could solve all the world's problems would be courtesy and politeness.

It's rude to steal.

It's rude to kill.

Enron executives were extremely rude.

Tom de Lay is rude.

War is rude.

 

"Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today"--this is the kind of outrageous self-affirming statement that makes the whole thing reek of propaganda.

To me, this guy is speaking out against the very thing that made and makes America great. His attitude is like the Butcher character's from Gangs of New York movie only in this case he is against Mexicans instead of the Irish.

Yes, look at history and China's example. When they recognized themselves as the greatest empire on earth what did they do? They tried to isolate themselves from the useless, uneducated, uncivilized barbarians in the rest of the world. Up goes one of history's monumental failures, the Great Wall of China. During this period, the rest of the world interacted and developed, be it by trade, expansion, or war (not that these were all admirable forms of interaction) and China stagnated.

I've always believed that America's success has lied in it's acceptance of people from all over the world. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me..." except not the Mexicans now is what this guy is saying. I wonder if he has a problem with the influx of cultural diversity with all of the scientists and engineers coming to America from India and Germany?

Existing Americans should meet the challenge of bringing in newly immigrated peoples' with an attitude of acceptance, not rejection. Adapt, innovate, apply good old American can-do attitude with good old American ingenuity!--and yes, so what if there is some sacrifice to be made, we are still the richest, fattest, freaking country on the planet!
We've handled influxes of immigrants in the past and in the short-term it may have been painful to some but in the long-term it has made us stronger. How is it that people forget that at some point their ancestors (unless you're Native American) immigrated to the U.S? Since when has the American answer to a problem been, "Keep them the hell out out of here!"?

 

Say what you want. Opinions vary. To those that think we need more aliens in this country I say the following: 1) How much money did you make last year? 2) Did you live on or near minimum wage last year? 3) Do you have a Bachelor's degree & are 3 courses shy of a Master's? 4) Do you even have to worry about money?

Liberals all have 1 thing in common- They always try to crucify people that don't agree with their ideas. I feel that as I was born here I should at least have gainful employment. I have 2 college degrees. I am not greedy. But, how many of you would like to have a per diem job with no set hours or benefits?

Let me guess-most of you have plenty of $$ and feel obligated to help anyone who wants to come here from a 3rd world country. I keep hearing your BS about being jealous. I wanted to become a teacher to give back to our youths. My degrees are in Marketing and Organizational Management. I applied 3 years ago to teach business education. Budget cuts forced the district to cut almost 80% of those teaching positions. I worked for that entire year as a sub teacher hoping to get a position next year. Next year came. No business education positions would be avaiable. Summer came and went. Sub teachers are routinely denied unemployment comp by some bulls--t state statute.

Last August school started. I had studied for 4 months to get certified in Special Education. No problem. I passed the test & got certified. We are now in Feb. and still no full time position. It comes down to one issue. The principals want teachers with at least 1 full year as a permanent teacher. Being a sub teacher counts for nothing to them. It's a rotten job with terrible pay. But, I have to eat and pay bills so I'm still there. How does one get experience when one can't get hired?

I have been denied at least 3 good full time jobs only because I am not bi-lingual. You want to attack me because I don't want any more foreigners moving here? You must love George W. He thinks just like you. There are many foreigners that are highly educated and don't do menial jobs.

Unlike some of you I have done all those low end jobs you mentioned in my younger years. That's why I now have 2 college degrees and am continuing to better myself. But, I sure don't need anymore competition.

You can believe what you want. You are entitled to your opinions. But, you can take "political correctness" & all the BS that goes with it and just disappear. Only a fool would want to destroy his/her country. Besides, all the aliens we're talking about can go to another country to live. The US has taken in far more that its share of refugees. Perhaps some of you liberals could move out of this country and do us peasants a favor.

Like I said-every American citizen deserves at the very least a decent job with benefits and should never have to take a back seat to someone who is not a citizen.