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  1. priussoris

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    Return of the Plug-In Electric Car?

    Could the Chevrolet Volt mean a return to plug-in hybrid vehicles in the U.S.? Maybe, if battery technology progresses enough to power such a vehicle.
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    by Ann Job

    A huge improvement over GM's EV1 electric car, the Chevrolet Volt could travel 640 city miles if it comes together the way engineers have planned.

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    Male and female consumers in a focus group were shown the Chevrolet Volt concept shortly after its debut in early 2007. They liked the styling of the vehicle but found it took some time to grasp the technology that powers the Volt.

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    General Motors Corp.'s EV1 became a cause celebre in the 2006 documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?" The EV1 could only travel 60 to 90 miles between charges, needed a special 220-volt outlet to power up and had seats for only 2 people.

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    GM engineers and stylists envision a new plug-in hybrid like the Chevy Volt could carry 4 or 5 people, travel for more than 600 miles without needing a charge or fill-up, and look stylish, rather than odd.


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    Shown in Detroit at the NAIAS 2007, the Chevrolet Volt can be fully charged by plugging it into a 110-volt outlet for about 6.5 hours.

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    Ford Motor Co. officials show off the Ford Edge with HySeries Drive. The concept car is the world's first drivable fuel-cell hybrid electric vehicle with plug-in capability.


    I wonder if the makers of the documentary film "Who Killed The Electric Car?" are watching the news out of Detroit these days.

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    Volt Debut in Detroit
    General Motors Corp., the Detroit-based automaker often maligned for not sticking with electric cars in recent years, showed off a newfangled electric car early in 2007 that could have lots of us clamoring for electric transport.
    The intriguing aspect of the Chevrolet Volt concept unveiled at the 2007 North American International Auto Show in Detroit isn't that it can be plugged into an outlet, charged and then operate on electric power pulled from a substantial, onboard battery.



    It's that the Volt also carries an onboard "engine" that, unlike conventional cars, is not connected directly to the wheels of the car. It's there just to make electric power if the battery pack were to be depleted.

    The lack of mileage range of pure plug-in vehicles has been the Achilles heel of electric cars and led to GM dropping its iconic EV1 electric car in 2003, as highlighted in Chris Paine's 2006 movie documentary that was noted by many environmentalists.

    But with the newly envisioned Volt, a driver could have the best of both worlds.

    If a commuter doesn't drive more than 40 miles round trip, he or she may have enough electric power from the battery and not need to tap the car's onboard engine. So he or she may forego stopping at the gas station for an extended period of time, said GM spokesman Scott Fosgard.

    Yet, with this engine riding along in the Volt, a driver could be assured he or she won't get stranded somewhere on an extended trip because of a lack of electric power.

    Best of all, the onboard engine could be anything from a small, turbocharged gasoline engine that also can burn ethanol to a diesel engine burning biodiesel or even a hydrogen fuel cell.

    A New Take on a Hybrid
    In a sense, the Volt is a concept—emphasis on concept at this point—that takes a different approach from today's gas-electric hybrid vehicles such as GM's Saturn Vue Green Line, Toyota's Prius and Ford's Escape Hybrid.

    Current hybrids still rely primarily on gasoline engine power for propulsion. Electric power is only a supplement that kicks in now and then.

    In contrast, the Volt relies primarily on electric power and supplements its electric power supply by creating electricity, when it has to, via the onboard engine.

    Let me emphasize that in the Volt, there is no mechanical connection between the onboard engine and the wheels. Propulsion power comes from the battery pack at all times.

    GM officials call this system E-Flex. While they caution that batteries need to be developed first that can handle the demands of the Volt, they're excited about the considerable conservation of oil and reduction in car emissions that E-Flex could generate.

    Note that Toyota sells Priuses in Japan that can be plugged in and charged. But Toyota officials warn that rigging Priuses in the United States to be a plug-in hybrid can void the car's warranty.

    The reason: Drivers in the United States tend to drive longer distances than those in urban Japan, and the Prius battery pack isn't built to be drawn down for these longer-distance trips.



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    In fact, one of the fascinating elements of Toyota's gas-electric hybrid vehicles that use the company's Hybrid Synergy Drive System is how much effort is put into keeping the battery pack in an optimal middle-range operating mode.

    Toyota engineers discovered that the life of the battery pack is greatly improved if the battery isn't drawn all the way down. So as people drive, the hybrids' electronics manage the inter-workings of the hybrid battery and gasoline engine to keep the battery in the optimal range.

    A Solution?
    An exciting element of E-Flex is its adaptability to various transportation fuels.

    It is, as Nick Zielinski, chief engineer at GM, put it, like "a plug-and-play electric motor" that can derive electricity from a number of fuel sources.

    E-Flex also is surprisingly practical, given that half of U.S. households have daily mileage of less than 30 miles per day, and 78 percent of daily work commuters travel 40 miles or less per day, according to Tony Posawatz, vehicle line director at GM.

    The Volt concept car could travel "40 miles as a pure electric vehicle based on simulations based on the (federal government) city driving cycle," he said.

    Different From EV1
    The Volt, with its E-Flex system, also is a far cry from the EV1, which became a cult car among some wealthy Southern Californians, including comedian Phyllis Diller.

    If it goes into production—and that's still an "if"—the Volt could be charged in 6.5 hours using an everyday household circuit of 110 volts, GM said. A full charge for the EV1 took eight hours and a special, 220-volt circuit.

    There also would be a quick charge feature on the Volt to provide a fast infusion of electric power when needed. The EV1 had no quick-charge feature.

    The Volt's fuel tank—for gasoline, diesel, whatever—would hold about 12 gallons, GM said. Meantime, the EV1 had no onboard electric power supply beyond the battery pack, so there was no fuel tank.

    The Volt is an accommodating, 4-door sedan with room for four or five passengers. The EV1 was a rather cramped, 2-door 2-seater.

    Top speed in the Volt is expected to be at least 120 miles an hour. Top speed in the EV1 was 70 mph.

    And most importantly, if the Volt comes together the way GM engineers plan, it could be able to travel 640 city miles—nearly double the mileage of many of today's gasoline-only vehicles—before needing a fill-up and a charge. In contrast, the top city mileage in the EV1 was between 60 and 90, GM said.

    Battery Work Needed
    How soon can the Volt get to dealerships? Right now, the car is not slated for production and is not priced. Batteries are the big stumbling block.

    GM engineers say they're looking at advancements in lithium ion batteries that would fit the Volt's needs and might come in 2010 or 2012.

    But they could come sooner.

    Officials at GM, Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler Group of DaimlerChrysler have already sent a letter to the Bush administration asking that it triple money for government-funded battery research.

    There's also the issue of educating consumers. CNW Marketing Research Inc. of Bandon, Ore., found a focus group of car buyers likely wouldn't be able to grasp the technology in a traditional 30- or 60-second commercial.

    Yet, once the Volt's technology was explained, it became the car's "most-liked feature" overall, CNW reported.

    After the new technology, men also liked the Volt's muscular exterior styling, while women pointed to the environmentally friendliness of the car and the front-end design.

    Ford Shows a Plug-In, Too
    Ford, by the way, showed lawmakers its own concept version of a plug-in hybrid a few weeks after GM's Chevy Volt debuted.

    Ford's futuristic plug-in hybrid is an Edge crossover that's designed to use a hydrogen-powered fuel cell to generate onboard electricity to power the vehicle when plug-in electricity isn't available.

    But where the Volt could go for an estimated 600-plus miles using electricity stored in the battery pack and by generating ongoing electricity from its gas engine, the Ford Edge hybrid could travel some 225 miles. The mileage limitation stems from onboard hydrogen storage constraints.

    Who knows? Maybe in a few years, we'll all be watching a new documentary entitled "The Return of the Electric Car."

    Ann Job is a freelance automotive writer. "
     
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    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, uh, you can't get fooled again.
     
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    "There's also the issue of educating consumers. CNW Marketing Research Inc. of Bandon, Ore., found a focus group of car buyers likely wouldn't be able to grasp the technology in a traditional 30- or 60-second commercial.

    Yet, once the Volt's technology was explained, it became the car's "most-liked feature" overall, CNW reported.

    After the new technology, men also liked the Volt's muscular exterior styling, while women pointed to the environmentally friendliness of the car and the front-end design."

    I love statements like these. To paraphrase "The public is too stupid to understand plug-ins and conservation is for girls, not for manly mans...".
     
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    Women EV1 drivers reported that their favorite feature of a plug-in car was never having to go to the gas station. And yet what are the ads we see for today's hybrids? "You don't have to plug it in." Great. Take the best benefit of a plug-in car and vilify it to server your current purpose. :(
     
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    The article states:

    "Note that Toyota sells Priuses in Japan that can be plugged in and charged. But Toyota officials warn that rigging Priuses in the United States to be a plug-in hybrid can void the car's warranty."

    This would be the first mention I have ever seen indicating the Prius is sold in Japan can be plugged in. I believe this is an error in reporting.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priussoris @ May 5 2007, 07:03 AM) [snapback]435961[/snapback]</div>
    Since you have a valid link, why not just supply a short summary OR a small quote rather than copying and pasteing the entire article (and violating copyright.)
     
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    The technology for all electric cars is already in ues. Go to the Tesla Motors web page, It get 200 miles to the charge and takes 4 hrs. to fully charge. It may not be cheap but it is here. If someone could mass produce it the price would come down.
     
  8. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Yeah but Tesla hasn't actually made a production vehicle yet. They're still testing. I think the first delivery is expected to be next summer?? Daniel can probably pinpoint the exact month.
     
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    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(oakdale61 @ May 6 2007, 07:36 AM) [snapback]436338[/snapback]</div>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ May 6 2007, 10:07 AM) [snapback]436398[/snapback]</div>
    Guys... GUYS! You don't need to pin this on the future production EVs. If we're after "technology that is already in use" just look back 11 years ago when every major car maker had a freeway capable EV on the road. 1996. And we're still driving ours (2002 model year, but the same car that began production in 1996) every day, of course.
    http://evnut.com/

    PS. There is still no firm Tesla delivery date. I have three friends who will have them parked in the garage as soon as delivery happens!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stev0 @ May 5 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]436031[/snapback]</div>
    I think the Bush Quote was, "Fool me once shame on you . . . fool me again ... and, well, it's important not to get fooled!"

    GM quarterlies down 92% . . . ?
    Where have all the fools gone?

    :lol:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ May 5 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]436169[/snapback]</div>
    And an messy and ugly paste at that. Didn't even bother cleaning up the text and image placeholders.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ May 6 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]436487[/snapback]</div>
    Nope, I got it right (although I wouldn't put it past him also saying it the way you did).