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Gen 4 Warm-Up differences and a few observations

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by BearInStPete, Feb 29, 2016.

  1. BearInStPete

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    Prius 4T owner of 5 days and 500 miles. I traded my 2012 Prius Model 5 with 76K of care-free miles for the 4T.

    Getting into the 4T this am on a fairly warm Florida morning (74 degrees), car not having been driven since 10 PM the night before, and the traction battery with an indicated charge of 80%+ (from the car's indicator), there was no engine warm-up! Went into EV mode with back-out from driveway and drive down an alley and did not go out of EV mode until turing onto the street and accelerating normally. Any of you Prii Gurus have any insights on the Gen 4 warm-up cycle?? The Gen 3 always had a ICE start and warm-up regardless of state of charge on the traction battery.

    General Observations from a 2012 Prius Model 5 owners perspective:

    • Overall quieter ride with better suspension damping.
    • Better handling with noticeable improvement with lower center of gravity.
    • Stereo is greatly improved in sound quality and ease of use with enhanced navigation implementation, the system is much more responsive to input with no lag.
    • LED headlamps are a warmer temperature and better dispersion and the auto high-beams works great.
    • Seats are more comfortable and more supportive on the sides.
    • Information displays are more bold (and colorful), additional information, and more customizable.
    • Taking foot off accelerator while driving automatically provides a higher level of default regenerative breaking than the Gen 3, but lightly modulating the accelerator allows for the elimination of the regeneration more easily than the Gen 3.
    • Radar cruise control requires different technique from the standard cruise on the Gen 3, taps up increase set speed by 1 mph, but holding does quickly increase set speed but does not increase acceleration to speak of. Down taps decrease set speed by 1 mph, holding it down will quickly decrease set-speed and WILL engage friction breaks to a fairly high level to slow the vehicle. No longer viable to tap down and hold to use regenerative breaking only to gradually slow the vehicle. You are better off canceling cruise and breaking gently and/or using the B mode on the transmission. Acceleration with radar engaged is slow, so driving away from a traffic light letting the car "drive" with the radar cruise control on is too slow for most driving circumstances, you are better off accelerating to speed with the accelerator, while turning on the radar cruise using the up-tap, then let-up as your desired speed or leading traffic following distance is achieved.
    • Be aware that quick lane changes by other drivers (aggressively cutting in and out) into your path can cause firm braking to increase pre-set following distance to the extent if might be advisable to cancel cruise when drivers are being aggressive.
    • Acceleration at lower speeds is more brisk and "torquey" than the Gen 3 even in Eco-Mode.
    • Side rear-view mirrors are larger width-wise and seem more parabolic with a wider field of view.
    • Blind spot monitors are cool, but location on outer side of mirrors can easily get washed out on bright sunny days I would prefer to have dash indicators in addition to those on the mirrors. But guess the outboard location might cause drivers around you in your blind spot to notice the yellow light if they are "hanging" necessarily in your blind spot.
    • AC seems very effective even in Eco, front-seat only mode - at least in upper 70's sunny weather thus far.
    • Heat and seat heat to the extent I have used it are the same/similar to Gen 3. Seems like it may use supplemental heat/heat pump functionality during light needs, or to maintain during stop and go driving - maybe reduced reliance on ICE for this.
    • Not crazy about the white trim and looking forward to some cool aftermarket trim pieces (like carbon fiber or woodgrain?).
    • No glare control glossy Nav-screen difficult to view in certain lighting and shows finger smudges more easily - microfiber cloth and cleaning solution in console has become a necessity.
    • I'm looking forward to seeing how the new drive-train works in the mountains - the regenerative braking/speed regulation was an added bonus for those of you who could experience it.
    • Overall I personally like the vast majority of the evolution, but it is not what I would call revolutionary.
     
  2. The Professor

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    It's worth noting that the amount of automated acceleration that is applied is dependent on the currently set Driving Mode. If you have it set to Eco then it'll be slow and gradual. If you have it set to Power then it is much more brisk.
     
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    heat pump functionality?
     
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    "Radar cruise control
    • ... holding it down will quickly decrease set-speed and WILL engage friction breaks to a fairly high level to slow the vehicle." I don't think it's the friction BRAKES - this has been discussed before and I think the consensus is that it's mostly regenerative braking. I've never noticed it quite that strong, and I reduce DRCC from 100km/hr to 60 when I exit the motorway often. It stops quickly, but I think it's only regenerative braking.
    • "No longer viable to tap down and hold to use regenerative breaking only to gradually slow the vehicle." I do that all the time - I do a lot of my driving just adjusting the cruise control.
    • "You are better off canceling cruise and ... using the B mode on the transmission." I have only used B MODE once or twice - there is really no point in using it unless you've got a full battery from going down a steep hill/mountain. B Mode on Gen4 has been discussed at length - the consensus is that its generally not efficacious to use it except under very specific conditions. I think it's better to just let the car sort out whether it needs B Mode itself unless in very hilly terrain.
    • "Acceleration with radar engaged is slow, so driving away from a traffic light letting the car "drive" with the radar cruise control on is too slow for most driving circumstances ..." TRUE - try PWR or NORMAL Mode - ECO is quite slow. Only if there's no traffic behind, I'll use ECO.
     
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    Yes, mine is missing a heat pump - is this something which USA gets which we don't.
     
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    only prime afaik.
     
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  7. Tideland Prius

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    Yup, the delayed ICE warm up in warmer temps is a nice touch. It will also warm up faster once it is running because the active grille shutters will be closed. (and above 40mph, they'll remained closed for aerodynamics as long as cooling isn't needed).

    I found the transition from regen to friction brake is more noticeable, more akin to the Gen 2 Prius than the Gen 3 Prius.

    The PCS in the Gen 4 is more sensitive than the Gen 3. The one time I was accelerating from a stop but didn't realise the car in front had braked so the BRAKE! message came on. I tried to come to a normal stop but PCS engaged the brakes and it was quite hard on it. Good to know it works but not so much for my passengers or myself who weren't expected such a hard brake.
     
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    This drcc regen braking also had me wondering if it used friction brakes. But I found out!

    Washed the car and put it in the garage. The brake rotors rust over under these conditions and make a rough sound when the friction brakes are applied for the first few km driven.
    So next day when I pulled it out of the garage and stopped to close the doors I had the rough sound. Pulled away after closing the doors, and I got no rough sound under light braking (I would call it "non-panic" braking - I'm a pretty gentle driver, not slow but gentle). I got the rough sound only in the last second or so of stopping. I didn't realize how little friction braking is used and how powerful regen braking can be. And this is "just" a 3rd gen. Regen is supposed to be even more powerful on the 4th gen!

    The amazing Prius! :)
     
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    Yup. We got 245,000km of mostly city driving on our Gen 2 Prius on original brake pads. Our Gen 3 may not last as long because it has crossed the Rockies at least once a year so brake bad wear will be accelerated. That being said, the last service said 50% left at 150,000km so who knows - regen is better on the Gen 3.
     
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    Were you in reverse? I wondered if it only uses friction brakes in reverse, but couldn't find anything.
     
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    Reverse? I don't reverse fast enough to engage regen. I think. If it would use it. But...
    Well, the first time, yes. But then for the next 5 min. of driving no. Each time I stopped for a stop sign or light, it would be silent until the last second or so of stopping (slow enough for the car to switch to friction braking).

    I remember when I first started reading Prius Chat one of the "gurus" had built a device to indicate the switch to friction braking from regen. Forget his name. Never built one, too intrusive into the braking system for my liking. Rusty rotors is easier. ;)
     
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